84. Why GLP-1 & other Peptides Work Better With Chinese Medicine, with Dr. Yi Song

If you've ever wondered why you keep getting the same symptoms on repeat, no matter what you try, this episode is going to shift something for you. Dr. Yi Song joins Dr. Carver for a conversation that bridges 17 generations of Traditional Chinese Medicine wisdom with some of the most cutting-edge longevity science available today, and the through-line is surprisingly simple: when you understand your body's constitution, everything else starts to make sense.

What You'll Learn in This Episode:

• Why your body type, or constitution, is the foundation of everything in Chinese medicine, and how identifying yours can help you get ahead of symptoms before they become serious conditions.
• How the tongue reveals what's happening in your digestive system, your liver, your hormones, and even your emotional health, and why dentists like Dr. Carver are uniquely positioned to spot these patterns.
• Why skin conditions like eczema, acne, and psoriasis are rooted in digestive weakness and damp heat in the body, and what Chinese medicine does differently than a cortisone prescription.
• How stem cell therapy maps onto Chinese medicine philosophy, specifically the concept of replenishing declining kidney energy, and why starting in your 30s and 40s matters more than waiting.
• What micro-dosing GLP-1 peptides actually looks like when used intentionally for anti-aging, and why high doses may be doing more harm than good.

About Dr. Yi Song:

Dr. Yi Song is a Boston-based Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioner with 25 years of clinical experience and 17 generations of TCM lineage in her family. She integrates stem cell therapy, herbal medicine, acupuncture, and holistic longevity protocols to help people live healthier, longer. She is also the author of the upcoming book Heartbound and the Abridged Six Principles to Natural Longevity, available now on Amazon.

Key Insights:

One of the most grounding ideas Dr. Song shares is the concept of the body as a garden, not a machine. In Western medicine, we tend to wait for a part to break and then replace it. But in Chinese medicine, the whole irrigation system matters. A blockage somewhere upstream, often tied to emotional stress or long-term imbalance, can show up as a completely unrelated symptom somewhere else in the body. That's why a one-size-fits-all approach to treatment so often misses the mark.

Dr. Song also unpacks why peptides like GLP-1 have real merit when used thoughtfully. The problem isn't the peptide itself, it's the dosing. At high doses, GLP-1 can impair the digestive system and cause muscle wasting, two things that in Chinese medicine represent a direct hit to your body's core energy. At micro-doses, the anti-aging effects are meaningful and far gentler on the system. She shares that she uses one milligram per week herself, sometimes less, as part of a broader longevity protocol.

Perhaps the most personal thread in this conversation is the discussion of inherited chi, the prenatal life force energy we receive from our ancestors. If your parents or grandparents carried depletion, you may have started with a lower energy reserve than others. But Dr. Song is clear: it is never too late, and never too early, to begin rebuilding. Her own mother's recovery from severe osteoporosis and chronic leg pain, using a combination of TCM, stem cell therapy, and targeted herbal support, is living proof of that.

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Transcript

Welcome And Why Chinese Medicine

Dr. Rachaele Carver 0:00

Hello, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of The Root of the Matter. I am your host, Dr. Rachel Carver, and I'm very excited for the first time to have a medical professional talking to us about Chinese medicine. You've all heard me talk over and over again about meridians, how much I really love and look towards Chinese medicine to help with a lot of ailments. So we finally actually have a specialist, an expert on to talk a little bit more about the different patterns we see, more about how energy works and how we can use Chinese medicine with, you know, stem cell therapies and other holistic modalities to really uh get at the root cause of disease. So everybody, please welcome Dr. Yi Song. Thank you, Dr. Song, for taking your time today. Why don't you give the audience a little bit of an idea of how you got into this work and a little bit about your background?

Dr. Yi Song’s East West Path

SPEAKER_00 0:49

Sure. I'm so happy to be on your show, Dr. Cover. I grew up in China and my family has 17 generations practicing Chinese medicine. And also my grandparents, they actually were practicing Western medicine in China. So I was influenced in both modalities, both types of different culture, always merging Western with Eastern. And then I also pursued pathology study initially because I really wanted to solve the fundamental root cause of conditions. And your show is called The Root of the Matter. We always try to look for root cause, but however, in Western medicine approach, they usually only treat the symptoms when they arise and they don't really look into the root cause of the conditions or treat the conditions early on before any severe symptoms even arise. So that's what prompted me to pursue my Chinese medicine route in my family. So that's why I have been practicing traditional Chinese medicine in Boston for the past 25 years. But then about eight years ago, I discovered stem cell lab in Colombia by chance, introduced to the lab, and then I started treating my mom first with the stem cell treatment. And it was very powerful because at that time we couldn't even solve her problem with traditional Chinese medicine. So that's how I started studying stem cell treatment and also how the stem cell treatment fits into the philosophy of traditional Chinese medicine. So that's how I came around, and now I'm offering both stem cell treatment and also combining the traditional Chinese medicine plus other holistic modalities to help people live healthier longer.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 2:37

Yeah, and which is what we really need, especially in today's day and age, especially when we're seeing our children, you know, coming down with all these ailments at such a young age. You know, I have teenage daughters, and you know, one of them just came down with the flu. And this has happened at the beginning of the year, too. She was, you know, started playing soccer, and first week of school, she was out with a flu. Now the first week of softball season, she's out with the flu. And I just keep thinking, oh, what's going on with the immune system, right? Why isn't there the resilience there? And you know, granted, she's a teenager, so she doesn't eat perfectly. She won't take her supplements, you know. She's eating all sorts of weird junk, putting all sorts of weird things on her body. But for me, I'm always thinking, what's what's underlying that that weakened immune system that she's getting sick so easily? Maybe we could start with talking a little bit about what are the main differences in Chinese medicine versus the Western medicine approach.

The Six Principles Of Longevity

SPEAKER_00 3:29

So I just recently published a abridged version of my book that's coming up. So it's called The Six Principles to Natural Longevity. So the six principles are number one, you need to recognize your body's constitution because everybody's body is different. And then once you recognize your body's constitution, you can address the weakness and also moderate the excess in your body. So then you can actually start looking into early prevention because you already understand what your body constitution is. Part of it is related to the genetic composition, like nowadays we have more genetic testing, but it's now only about genetic testing. And then when you try to do the early early prevention, that's the second principle, is actually you try to look into what's the imbalance in your body. Just like you know, you mentioned your daughter who has been getting sick very easily. I don't know whether she's getting sick even when she was younger. And so then we need to look into what's causing her immune system is weak or what's causing you getting eczema. And I actually also has a predisposition to eczema since I was born. And so you then you need to address your body's imbalance that's causing these minor symptoms. Then you address them early so that they don't develop into severe conditions. And that actually goes to the third principle, which is actually treating the root cause of the conditions. Because if you recognize the root cause and then you start treating the root cause early, that's when you can really prevent the degenerative conditions associated with aging. So a lot of people they wait until their joints are already completely worn out. Then they say, Oh, can stem cell help me? I don't want to do the joint replacement. And then in Western medicine, they just simply give you the steroid injection first, and then if you keep getting steroid injection and eventually it doesn't work, then they do the joint replacement for the knee, shoulder, or hip. But then for a lot of other joints, there's no joint replacement. So then you just have to suffer. So then the fourth principle would be after you treat the root cause, you address the early the early prevention, then you actually start looking into your body as a garden. So not just as a machine. So you don't just try to replace the parts that's not working because it doesn't really work that way. It's a human body, it's an organic garden. So you need to address a lot of conditions from distal area that actually causing what you're experiencing because it's the garden is like have a holistic irrigation system. And if certain area of the irrigation system is blocked, then you may show up the symptoms somewhere far away, but that doesn't mean your symptoms, your root cause is only in the area where you have the symptoms. So you have to look at the far away blockage. And a lot of times the blockage is related to the emotional stress, the balance of the whole body, the mind, body balance. So that's when it comes to like you really need to address the mental wellness. And then we're actually starting to address a lot of mental wellness, even in the Western medicine. But still it's not enough because they don't really realize that a lot of chronic conditions are the results of the long-term emotional stress on your body. So then the fifth principle goes to that you actually need to make your body in harmony with the nature, with the environment, so that you're now swimming against the current, weakening your body further. So we need to actually start looking into a human body as part of the environment, the universe. And then that's when the human body can be functioning the optimized condition when you apply all the other five principles. So the last principle would be that you actually want to use all the methods available to us, combining all of them in the right proportion according to your particular body. And then that's when you can actually address your body's particular condition and also achieve the optimal health.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 7:50

Yes, that's fantastic. So when you're talking about constitution, that made me think about like Ayurvedic medicine too, that has the doshas, but I'm not as familiar. Are there, and in Ayurveda, there's the three doshas, are there, is there a subset of certain constitutions that people fall into like that?

SPEAKER_00 8:08

I think actually the dosha type, like you know, the I think uh I don't know the real name of them, like kappa or you know, it's very similar, it has similar concepts. So let's talk about eczema again because you mentioned you had eczema, that's how you got into Chinese medicine. I actually was born having eczema since I was born, and even nowadays I still had a little bit of eczema flare-up from time to time. So, for example, for people who tend to have eczema or certain skin conditions, they usually have damp heat body type. So that's one type of body. And then in um Aerobedic, sometimes they talk about the um kappa, and then I think it has certain overlapping concepts. But basically, you know, some people they fall into having more heat in the body, and some people falling into they have more cold in the body, and that has to do with digestive system, also have to do with your prenatal energy you inherited from your parents. So that's what constitution talks about. So that's when if you want to recognize your body's constitution, you actually need to do the complete traditional Chinese medicine evaluation. So that includes talking about your health history, uh, also uh looking at the tongue, feeling your pulse, or even just looking at your complexion and also the body type. So all those things go into the constitution.

Reading Constitution Through Tongue And Mouth

Dr. Rachaele Carver 9:42

And I mean, it's so much more holistic, right? You know, I know that's one of the first things sometimes an acupuncturist will say to you is like stick out your tongue. People are like, what? You know, but right, we can see like the whole digestive system, right, on the tongue. And for years I've always had, you know, depending on who you look at, right? If you go to the dentist, they say, Oh, you have tooth marks because you have acne, but they're not the traditional type in Chinese medicine. Those tooth marks can also be right on the liver gallbladder. Uh and I think that's something that, you know, with my eczema and all that, that's that's always, you know, been an issue too. So I appreciate that much in the dental field, being able to understand a little bit about the meridians where we can assess other areas of the body just looking in the mouth. And even like the texture, the uh the moisture, all of those things in the mouth can tell us a lot about somebody's constitution, if I'm right. Do you do you look at people's mouths? And and what do you look for when you're looking in the mouth?

SPEAKER_00 10:37

So, even like some people, if they have certain dental conditions, like if they tend to get infections in the gum, it's not because they have bad hygiene for their teeth. A lot of times it also has to do with their their predisposition to gum infections. So that actually goes to the connection of teeth and mouth health to heart condition. Uh, and then when you mention like uh the teeth marks along the sides of the tongue, uh yeah, the sides of the tongue are related to the gallbladder liver meridians. However, the teeth mark on the sides of the tongue actually relates to digestive system weakness. And I always have the teeth mark on the tongue because I actually was born with digestive system weakness. And that's why I also tend to have the damp heat. That's why I, since I was born, I had eczema, and then I didn't have eczema for a long time. And then within the past 10 years, I will probably get some small eczema outbreak on my neck area, like when I was really stressed out. But I haven't really figured out what was exactly the trigger for that. But uh, when it comes out, I do have ways to treat it, and then I never used the cortisone cream like usually most dermatologists would ask you to do when they see, oh, you have eczema, just use this.

Eczema And Acne As Digestive Signals

Dr. Rachaele Carver 12:08

Because we know those topical steroids, and and for me, it didn't even really help that much. But having a steroid, whether you're ingesting it or putting it on your body, on your skin, suppresses your immune system, right? And so what is that? That's that's kind of then, you know, the way I understand it, that's actually pushing the toxin or whatever it is deeper in the body, right? So although maybe you get a little relief, you're certainly not fixing the problem and potentially making it worse in the long term, right? Because you're not actually rooting it.

SPEAKER_00 12:41

Yeah. And also you can now use the steroid cream for a long period of time because it's cortisol. So if you use it for a long time, it makes your skin thinner and weakens your other connective tissue. It's bad for your joint, bad for your bone. And on top of that, it's really now treating the root cause. Why you're getting, say, dermatitis or eczema or even psoriasis, a lot of various types of skin conditions. Because the root cause, like we discussed early, most eczema, the root cause is related to the weakness in the digestive system. So because your digestive system is weak, that's when your body accumulates some dampness. And when it combines with heat, in certain conditions, it would manifest as skin conditions.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 13:28

And I would assume like acne is the same, same root there in Chinese medicine. Is that also a damp heat kind of thing, or is that different?

SPEAKER_00 13:37

For most people having very bad acne as teenagers or in their 20s, they definitely have heat inside the body. But then depending on different types of the acne, because the acne that is very, very severe and red with no pus, then that type of acne would be more heat. But if you have the acne that has a lot of white heads and then it oozes the fluid, then that's the dampness in combining with heat in that type. So when you treat acne, like when I was in my 20s, I also had pretty bad acne for a while, but I didn't take any Western medication for that. That's actually when I started using traditional Chinese medicine to treat myself. Of course, before that, I was always using traditional Chinese medicine to treat my coughing issue. When I got sick, I would have prolonged coughing after the infection was already gone. And then since I also had some kind of kidney condition when I was six years old, so my parents would tend to put me on antibiotics, and then none of the antibiotics would work for me. So that's when I actually started using Chinese medicine to help my coughing after upper respiratory infection. But then when I was in my 20s, I was already in the United States and then I was studying pathology, but then I had very bad acne outbreaks. That's when I started using the herbal medicine to treat my damp heat. And then that actually resolved my acne for most of the time. So I didn't have very bad acne outbreak after I took the herbal medicine for maybe a few months. And now I would just tweak it, like when I have some outbreak, then I would use it. So that's how I controlled my acne.

Geographic Tongue And Yin Deficiency

Dr. Rachaele Carver 15:25

That's great. So one of the other conditions we often see on the tongue is something we call in Western medicine, you know, geographic tongue. And you know, most traditional, conventional Western medicine, like it's fine, it's just a benign condition. But you know, not everybody has that. So in and to me, when I'm when I'm seeing that again, I'm thinking digestive and and more um even like a lot of autoimmune kind of things. What what does a geographic tongue mean to you? And and so for people who don't aren't familiar with that term, it's kind of like you see almost islands of red, um, you've lost some of the mucose on the top of the tongue. So you kind of see outlines of circles and stuff, and usually it doesn't hurt, but it just it looks strange.

SPEAKER_00 16:08

So I think for some people, actually, they were born with geographic tongue. So if they had the geographic tongue since they were born, sometimes it may not indicate any bad situation going on inside internally. But then if people sometimes they didn't have geographic tongue since they were born, and then they started developing these patches, then that would indicate certain conditions. Because most times you don't know, like because you look at people's tongue way more than I see, they always open their mouths when they treat them, when you treat them. So, do you notice like probably women when they're in their menopause, they probably tend to have more patches on their tongue. So that actually indicates menopausal-related condition, which is more like in deficiency, estrogen declining. That's what the patches on the tongue may indicate. Or people with a lot of um um liver stri uh like um liver young rising obstruction, like when I mentioned earlier, your body is like a garden. So when you have emotional stress, then your body has more obstruction in the irrigation system. So when you have that obstruction for a long term, that's when your your tongue will show certain redness spots on the sides. And then when you have that liver obstruction for a long term, then it also can create the yin deficiency that will show the patches in the middle of the tongue.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 17:45

Yes, and that um that's a common thing. I think, you know, every once in a while I get the red patch kind of at the tip. And I think I'm definitely somebody who suffers from the the yin deficiency. My whole constitution is much more yang. And so that so yin, we think of that as the feminine energy, right? Whereas yang, we think of that as masculine energy. Um so why would somebody like me, who's a woman who should maybe technically have more yin energy, why do some people suffer from yin deficiency?

SPEAKER_00 18:16

So you say you have more yang, right? Is that what you're okay? So so most people having yin deficiency, it's related to especially for women after menopause. Then most of women, because they have the declining in the estrogen, then that's related to the declining in the feminine part or the yin part. So that's when a lot of women going through menopause, they would tend to have hot flashes, cannot sleep well at night, because at night it's a yin time. So if your yin energy is not strong enough, then that's when you cannot have good night's sleep and you keep waking up. Um, and then also if you have nice sweats, that's definitely points to yin deficiency.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 19:05

And there are definitely remedies. Do you think are there specific maybe nutritional interventions? Obviously, you could get on hormone replacement therapy, and that really does a lot for evening out those symptoms there. Are there um that some people maybe shy away from that? Are there nutritional things that as somebody who might be entering that stage of their life, or and again, I'm not menopausal yet, but I still suffer from those kind of symptoms sometimes. Do you think there are?

SPEAKER_00 19:35

Yeah, so if you have you are not menopausal yet, but then you already have some in deficiency showing up, that's called early prevention, and also recognize your body's constitution. So now what we need to do is for you to take in-nourishing food. So we have, say, black sesame, one's or even some herbal formulas that can further strengthen your impart and also moderate your young access. Because the reason people are having, say, hot flashes or feeling hot a lot, and then at night wake up, not a not being able to fall back asleep, then in that part, you actually want to moderate the access of the young as well. So we do have formulas, and then again, each formula is addressed customized to each person's constitution, but then we have general formulas saying, oh, this can tonify yin.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 20:35

Yes, there's a lot. When you start going down that rabbit hole on Google, it gets very confusing. You can't really treat yourself with Chinese medicine. You really need to have uh, you know, an expert because, like you said, you really want the whole history, right? You know, maybe you were born with something. I never had eczema until after my second daughter, but I I had skin issues my whole life, but I'd never had eczema per se. But again, it's just another form. My one

Immunity Patterns Lung Qi And Postpartum Depletion

Dr. Rachaele Carver 21:00

daughter who keeps getting sick, she has, since she's been young, a tendency to have viral illnesses. And she has had some weird skin things too. So that's why it's really important that you meet with a practitioner who will take your entire history into account because that's what gives us the clues about your predisposition, about you know, more than what's going on, because one isolated symptom just isn't enough to really understand how the whole body is working.

SPEAKER_00 21:28

Exactly. For example, if your daughter, since she was born, she tended to have viral infection. So that actually means she may have some lung weakness as well. Because the lungs are in Chinese medicine, the energetic level, the lungs are the organ that controls the defensive energy surrounding your body or circulating in the human body on the surface to defend the body from the exogenous pathogen invading. That's the other side. So if you have some certain lung energy weakness from birth, which I actually have too, but maybe not as severe as what you're mentioning about your daughter who keeps getting sick, then the lung energy is also associated with the digestive system. So it's possible that she also has some digestive system weakness since birth that also contributes to the lung energy weakness that makes her more susceptible to getting viral infections.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 22:32

Absolutely. And I I know I had my kids kind of back to back, and after she was born, I was back to work in four weeks, right? So I never, you know, we don't ever, especially in Western culture, we don't put a much effort into the mother, you know, after birth. You know, it's all about the it's all about the baby, right? And we, you know, in some cultures, right, the mothers eat the placenta and they have resting and certain, you know, tonics that we have. Whereas in Western medicine, it's just, you know, it's all about the baby.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

So, um, you know, so the placenta in Chinese medicine, thousands of years ago, they actually dried up the placenta and then use it as a tonic to people who are very weak, or even for women after they give birth, they become kind of weak, depleted in energy. Then placenta can give the postpartum recovery to women and also to people who are suffering from chronic illnesses that their energy was depleted. Okay, so in Chinese medicine, there uh the herbal medicine, there's an ingredient. The Chinese name is called Su Chu, which means purple dragon, purple, purple card in the river. But I don't know why they call it. I think because it the placenta, once you dried it up, it looks a little bit purplish. And then it's because it's rounded, so it looks like um a kind of uh vehicle in the river. So that particular ingredient, they actually dried up the placenta after the baby is born. So they took the placenta and then dried it up and then they grind it into powder. Then they can use that powder in formula to strengthen people's weakness when they have chronic illness that weaken their source energy, their body's energy. Or even women after giving birth, that because, like you mentioned, you gave birth to your three children back to back, so that also depletes your body's energy as well. So that's when the placenta powder would be used in Chinese medicine to strengthen people's constitutional energy. Yeah, absolutely. So then, because I had the farm in Colombia since nine years ago, and we actually have cows because we have a big area that if we don't have cows, the grass will grow wildly and it's very time-consuming to mow along. So then we just have the cows eating all the grass. So then the cow we have has already given birth to four babies so far. She, every single time after she gave birth to the baby cow, she would eat up the whole umbilical cord and placenta. So even the animal has a basic instinct, knowing that placenta and umbilical cord is very nutritious for the mother.

Inherited Kidney Qi And Rebuilding Energy

Dr. Rachaele Carver 25:28

Interesting. And kind of along those lines, too, right? You know, saying we can inherit these weakens, your qi, right, which is kind of as you can describe as life force energy, right? And we tend to that kind of we think about that in our kidneys, basically, but that is inherited. So if your mother, grandmother, you know, ancestors had weaker energy, you know, then you're kind of born, you know, with less energy. So, and this is what I suspect for myself too, always having had, you know, even for years before I ever had any symptoms, you know, other than the acne, I'd always have a little bit of like blood in my urine too, even though you couldn't see it, you know, but it would be like on a on a on a test at the doctor's office. And you know, so I was like, I think there was a and I used to always wake up almost every morning, even when I was in my early twenties, um having low back pain, you know. Now knowing what I know now, I always think I think I have an inherent kidney, you know, weakness, so a lower cheese. So for someone like me, you know, it's not necessarily surprising that I would develop an eczema or some, you know, have a little bit of these weaknesses. And if we do inherit these, inherit these, are there ways to rebuild Archie? Is there a way to kind of overcome some of these inherited weaknesses that we may have?

SPEAKER_00 26:45

There are definitely ways that you can do from now early, not waiting until you're 60 to address your weakness since birth. So the good example would be my mother. My mother actually was born during the Civil War in China, and my grandmother didn't have enough food at that time, and she was actually in the communist revolution center. So my mother was born with softness in her bone. So the top of her head didn't even heal until like one year after she was born. So she always had this deficiency in her body. And then when she was a teenager, it was during the famine time in China because Chairman Mao has certain movement. So my mother always had deficiencies. But now, of course, when my mother was in her 30s and 40s, she didn't really pay attention to address all these weaknesses she already knew she had. So that's why about six years ago, she started having all these conditions that we couldn't even solve with acupuncture or herbal medicine anymore because of the weakness she already accumulated up to that time. That was like when she was around 75. So that's when we started looking into stem cell treatment for her. And it was just because I was introduced to the lab and then she had the condition in her leg that was so painful, and we couldn't find any solutions. So we used the stem cell for her, and then she really recovered very well within the months from that conditions she was suffering for the two years prior to the stem cell treatment. So even though, say, you have inherent weakness from birth constitutionally, like you have low energy in kidney, then you can still postnatally address these problems. If you address them early enough, like say in your recent, then you will be able to prevent your body from deteriorating faster than other people, because when other people they start with higher level in their energy, then when they decline, they don't decline as fast.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 28:55

So you were saying your mom, you were, what did you treat her for? She had the um, you know, she had those weaknesses.

SPEAKER_00 29:03

My mother has a lot of problems because of her congenital birth energy deficiency. She has very severe osteoporosis, but she never got on any osteoporosis medication. Now she's 81 years old, and she never broke a bone. We basically use holistic treatment. We started when she was in her 50s using herbal medicine to supplement her weakness, the kidney energy weakness. So she has been doing remarkably well for somebody who has so much weakness since she was born. So my point is the story is about basically if you address things early enough. Of course, my mom didn't start addressing it early enough, but at least it's never too late, it's never too early. So if you realize now, and then you start addressing it now, since we have so much higher technology now than 6,000 years ago or even 2,000 years ago. So we can certainly supplement your kidney energy, especially with a lot of modern um technologies available, including like, you know, you can take supplements, you can take formulas that can be prepared with high-tech technology. Even Chinese herbal formulas nowadays, they have like high-tech Chinese herbal formulas. Then you can also, on top of that, you can also use placenta and some other things to supplement your kidney energy. Because since I started doing stem cell treatment for people for their anti-aging purpose or even for particular conditions they're looking for help with, I realized, like I mentioned, the cow, they also even eat the placenta after giving birth. Basically, the umbilical cord and placenta, they have the energy, the original energy from the baby that actually can help supplement the declining kidney energy associated with aging. So aging is inevitable, but we can slow down the aging process and then also prevent the aging-related degenerative conditions, then we can enjoy life, enjoy high-quality health span instead of just having the lifespan.

Stem Cells Placenta Energy And Regeneration

Dr. Rachaele Carver 31:24

Yeah. So with the stem cell therapy, so like for your mom who had the osteoporosis, were you injecting stem cells into joints, or how did you treat her with stem cells?

SPEAKER_00 31:35

So the first time she had stem cell treatment was because she had knee pain. She also had leg pain. That's the particular condition I mentioned earlier that we couldn't find any solution for it. And I knew for that type of condition, if we didn't treat it, now it has been like uh seven years since she started having that problem. If we didn't treat with stem cell back then, I think she would have had amputation by now. Because I knew other people who had similar conditions, they eventually had to have amputation because of the ulcer developing from the chronic inflammation in the lower leg. So we did inject uh stem cells into her knee joint because she has been having osteoarthritis of the knees since probably 15 years ago. And we have been using uh acupuncture, herbal spray, herbal medicine to help her knees up till about six or seven years ago. But then she developed this lower leg issue that we tried everything and it didn't give her very good results, and then only the stem cell gave her the boost to the energy. So, since we're talking about the kidney energy, uh, I already mentioned the stem cells or the energy from the placenta umbilical cord is more like supplementing your body's declining kidney energy um with the newborn baby's energy because they are from the newborn babies. Of course, it's not directly from the baby, but it's part of the newborn baby's life nurturing process that's in the umbilical cord and placenta. And then also the um the umbilical cord and placenta can also supplement your body's declining energy so that your body's kidney energy declines slower. It's more like adding the wood into the cauldron because for anybody from birth till death, the kidney energy is declining like a cauldron. So eventually when you die, they see the cauldron's fire goes out. That's the end of that particular person's life. But the energy, the life cycle goes down on the earth.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 33:48

Yeah, it it's it's fascinating, right? To think, you know, younger kids can get away with, you know, more illnesses or whatever because they have more stem cells, right? And

GLP-1 Microdosing Muscle Loss And Metabolism

Dr. Rachaele Carver 33:58

that's right, that's why we kind of see aging as we hit 40. We're really, you know, our stem cells are really declining rapidly. So we start to s have all those itises, right? And, you know, start, you know, our eyesight starts declining, right? The sleep is a problem. So um I think one of the important takeaways from here is we've got to do this early, right? In our in our 30s, in our early 40s, we need to do things that are gonna help maintain those energy batteries, right? That's why exercise is so important, right? Our our muscles act like rechargeable batteries, right? Especially as we get older, you always hear it say, you know, you gotta lift heavier weights, you gotta preserve your muscle mass, because that's where, which is one thing we see with these new GLP ones all over the place. One of the major side effects is muscle wasting. So, oh, you know, it's really scary. You're losing your energy batteries, you know. So obviously, you know, it's not healthy to be overweight, but I think a lot of people may not realize that's such a a uh a big side effect. So it's really important that you are, you know, lifting and making sure you're maintaining muscle mass so that we don't, you know, get rid of our energy batteries even more quickly than just normal aging.

SPEAKER_00 35:09

I think the problem with GLP1 is most people they are using too high dose. I think if you do the microdosing, which actually for most people, when you get the prescription pen or anything, the lowest dosage is like five milligrams per injection. That is just too high for a lot of people. And GLP1 actually is a very good peptide for anti-aging purposes when you do very small amounts. So I myself actually have been using one milligram per week, or sometimes I even forget doing it. So I probably do one milligram every two weeks, and I feel it has very good anti-aging effects combining with a lot of other regimens I do. I don't do tons of supplement or anything. I I'm never a supplement person because I feel if you can get the ingredients from the natural food and natural herbs, why do you need to take supplement? Plus, sometimes when you get the supplement, you don't know what's in it. So, but I do find GLP1, if you do microdosing, it's very it has very good anti-aging effects. But unfortunately, a lot of people they don't look at it that way and then they use too high dose. That's what happens with the muscle wasting, um, all these other side effects, nausea, which is very bad for the digestive system. So that goes back to the digestive system energetic energetically in Chinese medicine, because digestive system is the foundation for your body's energy. So if you weaken the digestive system with using GLP1 to high dose, you are actually weakening your whole body's nourishment. So that's why you get the muscle wasting.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 36:48

Thank you very much. I think that's so important to understand and why, again, things like Chinese medicine, when we are personalizing this to you, is very important. And this is why so many pharmaceuticals have so many side effects, because it's like, yeah, everybody, everybody who has high blood pressure, just take this medication, right? Um, whereas we're so individual and we need to really understand our body's constitution, and then then we can maybe be able to use pharmaceuticals. Um, but again, we really need to dial into our specific conditions

Cholesterol Fear Oxalates And Stress Physiology

Dr. Rachaele Carver 37:20

um to try to avoid those things super exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

And for like for most common hypertension or high cholesterol, most people you don't even need to take the medication because again, those medications are just masking the symptoms. And nowadays we even have more and more research showing that taking the statin drug to lower cholesterol actually is not good for older people because you actually need the cholesterol for your brain function.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 37:52

Yes, yes, we've talked about that many times on this podcast. And that that's exactly what the research shows. Like, okay, guys, you know, what is the real problem? And cholesterol is so vital to every single cell in the body. So, you know, we've got to get away from this fear tactic, like, oh my gosh, it's over 200. I just had one of my friends was concerned because he was having a lot of high cholesterol and and he was having like uh calcification scores, and he was very nervous about this. He's very health conscious. And, you know, the doctors like just wanted him to be on a scent. And he was, he was like, Well, what if I just do it for like a couple months, just just to get it down? And I said, you know, you can do whatever you, it's your body. I'm I'm telling you what I know, and that, you know, and it was barely over 200, you know, it wasn't wasn't up to the 300 range or anything. So I said, I wouldn't really worry about it. Let's let's think about what else is going on. And today he just sent me his his new lab and they were perfect. And he said, All I've done is tweaked my diet a little bit. He was eating a lot of oxalates, which can build a lot of excess calcium. And it was all like healthy, healthy smoothies and healthy powders. And then I was like, whoa, I was like, I know all of those ingredients, right? Like almonds and raspberries and green, like, you know, spinach and all these are good for us, but you know, maybe in some people's or metabolism, they can't get through the oxalates quickly enough, right? So I said, well, let's let's change that out just a little bit. And then he started doing some tapping because I was like, all of this fear that you're having this emotional stress is going to cause a bigger problem. It's gonna cause more of that. Exactly. So he said he started doing the tapping. So with the minor tweak in a diet, and he, I mean, he's been religiously tapping and all his numbers in in one month completely normalized, right?

SPEAKER_00 39:36

So Yeah, a lot of people they go on the Stalin drug, they basically have to be on it for the rest of their life. Once they go off it, then their cholesterol shoots up because your body doesn't know what to do by itself. But your body is designed to heal itself if you do the right thing. Mm-hmm. Exactly.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 39:54

It's just there's just so much, you know, confusion. I had another patient this morning and she's like, you know, very health aware, trying to do the right thing, but she's like, I just so confusing. There's so much information out there. And again, it's important while we have a lot of great information on the internet, if you really don't understand how your body works, you're gonna, you know, spiral out and and cause all a little problems. And then you cause more of the emotional stress, right? Which just further worsens, you know, all of the symptoms. So is there something in Chinese medicine? Well, obviously there is, because one of my favorite things for my nervous system is qigong.

Qigong Taoism And Going With Flow

Dr. Rachaele Carver 40:30

And if I don't do my 15 minutes of qigong every morning, I'm starting the day here. It doesn't take very much, right, to flip me into that that that's that stress mode. So talk to me a little bit about maybe how Chinese medicine integrates into the mind-body.

SPEAKER_00 40:48

Sure. So I don't know where you studied Qigong and how long you've been doing it. I actually started doing qigong when I was a teenager because my family influenced me and they had Qigong masters visiting our family, treating my aunt who has a lot of issues. So that's when I started learning about meditation and qigong. But then I also learned about the philosophy underlying all these practices. So the philosophy that is the foundation for Chinese medicine, qigong, tai chi, all these things is the Taoism philosophy, which actually tells you you need to follow the natural flow, the natural rhythm. So that's one of the principles I mentioned in my book, The Six Principles, is to follow the natural rhythm. And I mentioned it a little bit earlier saying, like, you don't want to swim against the current. Because if you find the right moment that you can get the tailwinds or the current to push you to achieve to where you want to go, then why do you want to choose the wrong time to swim against the current? But a lot of times in Western culture, people don't look at things that way. They just think, okay, as long as I try really hard, I will be able to achieve something. But you have to look at the right timing, the right moment, and also you don't want to stress yourself out. Because if you weaken your body, you swim against current, you actually not only do you're not able to achieve what you want to get to, but also weakens your body, and then you get chronic disease from the chronic stress. So that's what we want, we don't want. And that's why the importance of keeping the irrigation system in your garden, the whole body flowing correctly. That's very important. And that has to do with having keeping a very calm mind and not getting stressed out about a lot of situations, trying to look at things in different perspectives so that you can keep your energy flow better. You know, even I now I think I still get stressed at certain moments, but then I will remind myself, you know, you need to slow down and then don't look at things this way and look at it from another angle. Then you just think, let's just follow the flow, and then things will change at the right moment. So that's when you actually can have a better perspective of whatever is going on in your situation, and then find out the best solution as well.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 43:20

Absolutely. And I think that's that's the biggest thing that all of us can learn, you know, is just taking up when we get to those moments where we feel stress is recognizing what we're feeling, you know, and really kind of get out of that limbic system of the brain, right? And try to get into the calming and um understand that going with the flow, that's how things, you know, sometimes we might get caught in our own stories, like, oh, everything is going wrong and I'm so overwhelmed and blah, blah, blah. And that's the same idea of going against the stream. So if you're like, okay, this is where I'm let me go with the flow. And that's something I've really had to learn a lot like let go of the control, let things be when. I am more, you know, things just work out so much better when, you know, you're in a calm mind, when you can look at things more logically, when you can stop that, you know, going into that primitive limbic system emotional turmoil, we all end up um, and and that's such a key component to health, right? That again in most Western medicine is completely disregarded. And we're just always treating the things instead of really looking at the upstream mental emotional component that is every thought, right, is energy. We don't really think of it that way, but it is, it's absolute energy, and that can create that stuckness that you were talking about, right? We talk about in in Chinese medicine, like there's the six healing sounds, right? And certain emotions get stuck in certain organs, you know, with I think liver is a big one. People, if you're feeling like angry and irritable and resentful all the time, you know, in Chinese medicine, we tend to think, what's happening? Do we have liver stagnation? Do we, you know, liver heat, you know, the yang rising. Oh, there's all these different conditions, or right, lungs can be grief related. Um, you know, my daughter, if she has a lung weakness, is there some kind of grief that she maybe even inherited from someone else? And it's another way to look at the body and try to uproot some some cause, right? Is again looking at that that emotional connection as well. You talked about like the teeth and gum disease related to the heart, right? So is there some inherent, you know, heart in it? Doesn't necessarily have to be a heart condition, but what are the emotions around love, um, its support and all those kind of things that do we need to address some of that in order to address uh the gum disease and even a cavitation surgery and an old wisdom too? That's that's right on the heart and small intestine meridian, too. So there's all these really great links, and Chinese medicine is one fabulous way to really look deeper at the body and really understand all the different interconnectedness to the body's emotions and physiology. So we're kind of coming up onto our our hour here. Is there anything else you'd like to share with us that's important? And but then please tell us more about your books and where we can find you.

SPEAKER_00 46:11

So

Books Free Download And Next Steps

SPEAKER_00 46:12

I have my harp on book coming out in a few months. We're still in the editing phase right now. However, I already have the abreach version I mentioned. So if you just want to know the six principles, this is an easy read. And you can get this on Amazon, also on my website as well. It has the ebook, the Kingdo ebook version you can download so you can read on your computer. And then I also made the six principles pamphlet book, which each one is only 30 pages. So it's very easy for people to grab one to read it and then understand the principle. And sometimes we need reminders from time to time because people just forget, right? So, for your listeners, if they go to gift, the regeneration effect, they can actually get this uh 10 your body like a garden, uh, download free. And then from there, if they're interested in learning more about other principles, they can either get the abridged version or the other pamphlets.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 47:17

That's great. And you do have a clinic in Boston.

SPEAKER_00 47:19

Do you are you seeing new patients? I'm in Boston probably one week per month. And then the other time I will be in Colombia where I do the stem cell treatment. So I do see some people in Boston when I am in Boston. So if any people who are interested in having a consultation with me to find out their constitution and what kind of early prevention action they can take to treat their root cause, we can actually also have a complimentary 15-minute consultation. If you go to that link, gift regeneration effect.com, once you get the free download, there's a uh on the bottom, there is a place saying, Yes, I want the complimentary 15-minute conversation with Dr. Song to find out what's the next step we can take. So you can also do that.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 48:09

Fantastic. And we'll have all of that um right in the show notes for everybody to find that link. So I hope everybody learned a little something there and maybe can think a little bit more deeply about anything you may be dealing with. And thank you so much to Dr. Song for taking time today to chat with us and teach us. And I encourage you to check out her books and start start learning all this this good stuff on your own. So thank you, Dr. Song, and thank you to for all you uh listeners, and we hope to see you on the next episode.

SPEAKER_00 48:40

Thank you for having me sharing my ideas.