The Root of the Matter

Oral Health & Breast Cancer: What the Mouth Tells Us About the Body

• Dr. Rachaele Carver, D.M.D. Board-Certified, Biologic, Naturopathic Dentist • Season 3 • Episode 22

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In this special Breast Cancer Awareness Month episode, Dr. Rachaele Carver explores how your mouth may hold clues to breast health. From gum disease and oral bacteria to hormone balance and energy flow, she breaks down surprising connections between oral inflammation, estrogen levels, and breast cancer risk.

You’ll learn how bacteria like P. gingivalis can trigger inflammatory cytokines that affect tissues far beyond the mouth and why supporting your oral microbiome and hormone health may be one of the best preventive steps you can take.

Dr. Carver also discusses:

How oral bacteria travel through the blood and lymph systems
Why estrogen levels impact gum health, dry mouth, and tissue strength
The role of inflammation and cytokines in cancer risk
Tests you can try from saliva microbiome panels (Bristle) to tear-based breast screening (Auria)
How energy flow, lymph movement, and stress affect healing
Simple daily steps to keep your mouth, hormones, and immune system in sync

Whether you’re navigating perimenopause, focused on prevention, or supporting someone through breast cancer, this episode is packed with actionable insights for a truly holistic approach to wellness.

👉 Book your 1:1 oral–systemic consult or explore the 6-week “Reverse Gum Disease” course using the links below.

Key Takeaways

  • Oral health is systemic health your mouth reflects your immune and hormonal balance.
  • Estrogen helps maintain the mucosal barrier; low estrogen increases oral dryness and disease risk.
  • P. gingivalis and other bacteria are linked to inflammation that may influence cancer progression.
  • Overuse of antibiotics can disrupt your oral microbiome — balance is key.
  • Dental screening and lymph support are essential before any major surgery.
  • Energy flow and emotional health (think: Qigong, acupuncture, grounding) are part of true prevention.

Resources Mentioned

  • Bristle Test – Oral microbiome saliva test
  • Auria – At-home tear-based breast cancer screening
  • DNA Connexions – Pathogen detection test
  • Energy for Life – Biofeedback system
  • PEMF / AMP Coil / Dr. Tennant’s Tools – Support cellular energy
  • YoQi.com – Qigong videos for energy flow

Connect with Dr. Carver

Join the 6-Week Gum Disease Course: https://reversegumdiseaseinsixweeks.info/optinpage
Book Your Personalized Consultation: https://calendly.com/drcarver-1/health-coaching-consult?month=2025-10



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Dr. Carver:

Hello, everyone, and welcome to this special edition of the Root of the Matter Podcast. I am your host, Dr. Rachel Carver. Since it is October and breast cancer awareness month, I wanted to create a little solo episode discussing how possibly oral health can impact our breast health. If you've been listening to the podcast for some time, the whole point of the podcast is to show how every kind of chronic disease can be linked to the oral cavity. Bacteria is very common right in the mouth. And if you've listened again previously to the episode about heart health, about dementia, we know that bacteria are able to get anywhere in the body via the blood system, via the GI system, by swallowing that saliva into the circulatory system, can get into the respiratory system. So there are many ways that oral bacteria get through the entire body. So it shouldn't be surprising that there may be some links to breast cancer. I am such a big advocate of prevention. So I wanted to do a small little podcast and let us know how this oral bacteria and inflammation in general, even gum disease, have been shown to correlate with breast cancer. Interestingly, estrogen receptors are throughout the whole body. And they so no surprise, they are actually present in the oral cavity. When we have higher levels, or I should say optimal levels of estrogen, that is what helps keep the mucosal barrier strong, right? It helps epithelial cells, which are those cells that line all of our organs, how they allow for that epithet cells to proliferate, to grow again to maintain that barrier, and it regulates fibroblasts, which are responsible for growing some of the collagen and all that connective tissue that is really important for overall health. Interestingly, in situations like pregnancy, when we have higher levels of estrogen, we can actually see gum sensitivity, some swelling there. There's that extra proliferation of the tissue. And with low estrogen, so in perimenopause, menopause, when our estrogen levels really drop, we may have more symptoms of dry mouths, of more susceptible to ulcerations and more susceptibility to gum disease, and a decrease in the keratinization, which is the kind of that strengthening of all those epithelial cells. So that made me wonder. Oftentimes you hear that autoimmune conditions will get better during pregnancy. And this could be, again, one of those mechanisms that estrogen creates a very strong barrier throughout the entire gut, right? We know that the gut begins in the mouth, but that can also heal some of that leaky gut. And if you've listened to me, my belief is that autoimmunity really stems from leaky gut, basically. That breakdown of the barriers allows toxins and infections to get through into the bloodstream, into the lymph system to activate the immune system. So having optimal estrogen is really important for overall health. Estrogen also regulates the osteoblast and osteoclast activity. That's really crucial for maintaining bone density, right? It's another thing that we think of when we're in perimenopause and menopause, we tend to start breaking down bone a little bit faster. And when we're breaking down that bone, we're releasing decades of old toxicity right into the system, which can further accelerate more bone loss, right? If there's toxin anywhere in the body, the immune system is going to be activated to try to help us get rid of those excess toxins. So again, why optimizing our hormone levels every stage of our life can be very important. So again, if we're in that period and menopause stage and we're getting dry mouth, we know that we're more susceptible to decay. We're more susceptible to the ulceration, all these uncomfortable things that there really aren't great remedies for. We can try all lozenges and gum and saliva replacement, but I've never heard of anyone finding real release. Maybe sipping water all day. But really, if we could look towards hormone optimization, that may really be the key. So what about cancer? Cancer, we know, is immune dysregulation, often linked to inflammation. And what causes inflammation, right? It's the toxins, it's the infections. If you listen to me many times, that's how I break every single diagnosis down to toxins and infections. So in gum disease, which is a major inflammatory and in my opinion, an autoimmune condition, this is caused by an imbalance in the oral microbiome. Again, you've listened to my conversation, we talk a lot about this terrain theory, right? It's not that one day you swallow this bad bacteria and suddenly you have gum disease. No, there is a shift in the oral environment. You'll become more acidic. There are fewer nutrients, right? We don't have the minerals and the fat-soluble vitamins, the oxygen that's needed to allow the good bacteria to thrive. So when those nutrients are lacking, we are going to become more acidic. We're going to shift the environment and those pathogenic, more destructive organisms are going to overgrow. And then we're going to swallow them. We're going to push them into circulatory subsurrections. They're going to come through our lymph. We could breathe them. All these little these premises. And then what happens when the bacteria gets lodged in the endothelium, right? In those blood vessels, in the tissues, right? Their toxic byproducts are going to create inflammation, right? And what we can see sometimes is an increase in C-reactive protein. That's a non-specific marker that often is part of routine blood work. And that's saying, hey, we've got inflammation somewhere in the body. We'll get the increase in certain intralukins, right? IL-1 beta and IL6 TNF alpha. Those are the bad guys when we talk about cytokines and they start doing tissue damage. Interestingly, there was a Swedish study that was showing it had a statistically significant association of women with breast cancer and periodontal disease. There were 3,000 women and they were aged 30 to 40 years old. Those with gum disease were more than two times more likely to have cancer. They also found that Epstein Barr virus and cytomegalovirus were associated with breast cancer and gum disease. And again, this is a result of increase of all those cytokines, increase of the reactive oxygen species, which start to age our cells, damage the DNA, damage our mitochondria, which are responsible for producing energy. Another study of 200 women with periodolinization, they were two to three times more likely to get cancer, also. So again, this increased activation of these cytokines is going to cause all these problems. The major bacteria that these studies found was porphyonis gingivalis. This is the batty. Again, if you've heard any of the previous podcasts, especially the one where we talked about heart disease or dementia, it was this P. gingivalis that's insidious, and you can find it in so many chronic diseases. And again, linked to breast cancer, linked to tumor progression, because of the damage of lipopolysaccharides is one of the byproducts of this organism. And that causes direct damage to our blood vessels. And it promotes cancer stem cells, right? So there are chemokines released from these bacteria that will recruit macrophages. They recruit something called a myeloid-derived suppressor cell. IL1 beta is part of this process. And that can cause metastasis, right? That is something we all feared. Is that is that cancer going to spread? It makes it more challenging to treat once it's what spreads around. P. gender valves also activates anti-apoptotic pathways. And apoptosis is the process where cells have programmed deaths, right? So the cells they become old, they become damaged, and the body should. They recognize we're no longer good. We're gonna we're gonna tap out here, we're gonna, we're gone. But if we allow these damaged cells to remain, more tissue damage builds up, more DNA becomes altered, more pathogenic or cancer-causing genes and proteins can be uh produced, which is not great. The uh P. Genivalis with its toxicity, it can also increase levels of other bacteria. So they have like this quorum sensing type of thing where the more they proliferate, the more that they they allow other bugs to come in and grow as well. So another thing as I was researching for this podcast that I thought was very interesting was that uh the use of antibiotics would actually increase best breast cancer risk due to the impact on the oral microbiome. Because as we know, we have to be very prudent now with our antibiotic use because we wipe out good and bad. And the point of health is not about killing all the bad, it's really about balance. These bad or pathogenic bacteria are present in health, but we need to have that proper balance. So when we try to, a lot of our treatments in conventional medicine dentistry are just about trying to kill all pathogens. And again, we really need to focus on creating that healthy terrine so that the bad ones don't overgrow, so we don't get that stimulation of those damaging cytokines, keep inflammation at bay. And it's so tricky because so much of this is silent inflammation, right? Most of us don't have pain with gum disease. We don't have pain typically, once a tooth is dead, there may be an abscess. And of course, sometimes getting to that point, there can be a lot of pain. But but oftentimes we find abscesses, infected teeth on x-rays, and the patient feels absolutely nothing. The tooth is dead, right? But all of those toxic byproducts are causing low-grade inflammation. So, again, prevention, screening, going to the dentist, these kind of things are really important. People so often say, I don't want x-rays, nothing hurts, nothing feels bad, I don't want an x-ray, I don't want to pay for it. And while I understand that, and we also don't want too much radiation, the digital now is so minimal, but I understand that concern as well. We know that increased radiation can also cause cancer. So we need to be really prudent. If you are somebody who hasn't had a cavity in multiple years, we may go three years without taking an x-ray. But again, every so often we really need to check for these things because it's these silent infections, especially in an upper tooth that's right into the sinus, which is very close to the brain. We don't want to miss these things. And oftentimes when you are diagnosed with cancer, the oncologist isn't gonna think about your mouth. They're not gonna tell you, make sure there are no infections. Fortunately, for joint replacement, we do have most orthopedics will require a dental sign-off, right? We have to check everything, make sure there's no infection because they know that infection can go right to that wound and create a problem and potentially cause failure of the brand new joint. I had a woman just the other day had joint replacement. The doctor never had her cyanose on it, and now she has an infection. She was put on bone preserving drugs, which creates a real problem for extraction. So, again, anyone out there, if you are going to have any major surgery, whether it's a joint, heart surgery, maybe even something like a I don't know, a simple gallbladder surgery that is very common. I don't love the idea of that. There are ways to fix that. But regardless, you want to make sure that you're free of infection and everybody forgets about the mouth. And the mouth is so accessible, it's relatively easy to treat, and you can actually visibly see any signs of inflammation. So that is, I hope, a big takeaway today. Anytime, even routine minor surgeries, if you want to heal well, you've got to make sure that your system, your immune system is working at 100%. And if you've heard previous podcasts, I talked about even root canals. They can, if you think of a tooth as a circuit breaker, Dr. Jerry Tennan has been known, he's published information talking about how that one root canal can shut down the entire energy circuit by 60%, right? Again, if you have a root canal on a specific meridian that maybe you're having surgery on, right? What can we do? Can we give you some ozone, some procaine? There are ways that we can do to try to increase energy, pulse electromagnetic frequency, home homeopathic remedies. There are a lot of ways that we can get energy into the body to improve healing, improve outcomes for any kind of procedure. That's a side note there. And what else? So the other thing that the P. gingivalis that got on a tangent there, but that can also activate MMPs, which are enzymes that break down tissue. They upregulate genes that are involved in lipid metabolism or fats, and they can increase tumor formation and even create resistance to treatment. Some people do really well in surgery, some treatments just don't work. And why is that? What why why in one person could one treatment work and it doesn't work in the other person? Perhaps there are these low-grade infections happening throughout the body that need to be addressed before that treatment can be super effective. And the other thing I wanted to talk a little bit about was more about this energy pathways, right? I often, anytime I have a symptom or the patient who has a symptom and I'm trying to figure out what's going on, I will tighten that symptom and then hit in Chinese medicine. So Chinese medicine, Ayurvedic medicine, these Eastern philosophies really understood kind of whole body health, how the body worked together. They all based on the energy and the way all the systems are connected. So it obviously, when I learned about this 15 years ago, really resonated with me, really trained to understand what is the cause. I don't want to just treat a symptom. I want to understand why did I get that breast cancer? What could I have done to prevent that? And how can I do well in treatment and then never deal with that ever again? I think most of us would agree that would be the optimal outcome. So if you look, if you read about breast cancer and Chinese medicine, they talked about that it is affected by the flow of qi, right? Or prana, life force, maybe even lymph, if you want to think about in the Western medicine vernacular there. So energy is supposed to flow through our organs, through all of our systems freely and easily. I've heard I've said before on this podcast, I really think when you feel pain somewhere, that is a signal that the energy isn't flowing properly. So when I think about a painful tooth, I'm trying to think, how do I get the energy to flow? What is it? Is it a scar? Is it bacteria? Is it the bite, right? What something is causing that energy to be disrupted, and that pain is a signal to us to pay attention. So the one of the main meridians we talk about with breast cancer, the liver meridian. When there is stagnation due to unexpressed anger or emotional turmoil, that can lead to growths in the breast. And I will say I can absolutely attest to this being true. Had a little kind of interesting thing going on this fall with my daughter and her coach, and it has created a lot of emotional turmoil, not just for my daughter, but bring back some PTSD memories for the situation that I was going through. And and over I noticed a lump developing in my breast. I was working with my energy healers to uproot that anger, that old hurt, and that past. Because I was like, Wow. And my right side is the more masculine side. So it's like, wow, that energy is all related to male energy and these traumas that I had 30 years ago. So it's just a really important point that we can do the physical healing and we can remove some of the infections, right? We can get rid of that, but we also have to look at that other side, that the emotional term, the emotional infections, right, that are in the body. And if we're gonna holistically treat our body, we have to see both the physical, the emotional, the spiritual. So it's been really interesting. When I was researching this, I'm like, oh my gosh, I have firsthand witnessing of this happening to myself. So again, how what am I doing? I'm obviously always trying to eat well, I'm trying to exercise, but again, doing that emotional work so I can release that, those kind of emotional toxins out of my body. The other meridian that's important for breast health is the stomach meridian that runs directly through the middle of the breast, and it's responsible for processing thoughts and emotions. Anytime you're nervous or stressed, how does your stomach feel? You have butterflies in your stomach. You certainly don't feel like eating, right? And so that's really important. All of our emotions will affect our nervous system. And the nervous system, right? The vagus nerve innervates every single digestive organ. So if you're very stressed out emotionally or physically, we're going to affect the nervous system, which is going to shut down the stomach and all other digestive processes. So again, we're going to stop the proper flow of energy. So again, important to understand what is it, what is it that causes that anxiety? What filter are we seeing that through, right? How can we change some of our core beliefs so we no longer feel that anxiety from certain situations? And that's a lot of work. We we just had Katie on in our detox series talking about how important that that detox of the emotions are. So there's a lot of practitioners out there. There are a lot of books, there are a lot of things that you can do on your own to try to work through some of that stuff. The other meridian is the kidney meridian. So that can store that stores inherited energy, which is really important to think about generations past. So some of our anxieties, some of our preconceptions are not even ours, right? They are from our ancestors. And the kidneys are are where the crux of our energy comes from. So if there's been decades and ancestors with lower energy, you're gonna have lower energy too. So how do we boost that that great energy? One of the best ways we talk about always is grounding, right? Is being on the earth, being around full energy, circadian rhythms, right? Sunlight first thing in the morning, having regular meal scheduled for regular meals, you know, exercising, and uh just trying to be more in touch with nature, get uh more synchronized uh with the ebb and flow of nature. Qi and blood stagnation can also be caused from chronic stress, and though, and that creates the perfect environment, right? We talked about that terrain to allow these pathogens to overgrow, which can cause toxic heat, it can cause blockages, it can cause phlegm um somewhere in the body, it can be really sticky. Sometimes you could feel this as achy joints, you can get up in the morning, we'll stiff muscles a little bit, you know, nothing just can flow really well. And the lymph is really important to have good flow, because that is how we get rid of the waste from all this bacteria and toxins. And the mouth, we've talked about many times before, right? But the lymph, 20% of our lymph channels is right in the head and the neck. And think about when we're draining from, let's say, an infection in our mouth, it's going down our neck. And what is the first organ that it may hit superficially, right? The breasts are right there. And toxins, a lot of toxins really love fat tissue. So breasts are, especially in women, are mainly fat. And so that is a great place for those tongue. The body needs to hide these toxins and it packages them fat to try to get them away from the uh important tasks that we need to do every day. So that's why it's so common. And when I think about cancer, that's why I constantly once or twice a year, I'm running toxin screens on myself. I'm doing infection screens for myself because I want to be aware of what it is because I don't feel anything per se. I may have an achy joint here or there, or feel tired, but I'm not sure what that's coming from. I want to make sure that my lymph channels are open, but I'm feeling that my digestion is really robust, so that therefore my immune system is really robust. We talked about again with the energy and the flowing, the teeth, right? Every tooth is on a specific meridian. So the teeth that are on the breast meridians are our upper, first, and second molars and the upper second premolar, which is the tooth that's right in front of your first six-year molar, and then the lower premolar, so both sides, right? So what does this mean? If you have a root canal, right, again, if we're thinking back to Jerry Tennant's teaching, and that shuts down that circuit by 60%. If you do have a toxin or infection that's running through that breast, or it's in the breast tissue, right? And then the energy in that meridian has been tamped down by 60%, there is less energy for the immune system to be able to recognize that toxin, package it, and push it out through the lymph system and ultimately out of the body. Does that mean that every root canal tooth on a first molar is going to cause cancer? Absolutely not. And I don't want anybody to think that. But again, if we're we if we really want to cure disease, we need to try to understand. And there's never one thing, right? It's usually that collection, that bucket overflowing. So could could disease in the mouth be a cause of inflammation that ultimately leads to the body misdirecting itself and causing cancer? Yes, I think that is true. But again, it's not to say that one thing or one tooth or one root canal is going to cause that. But in the treatment planning, in thinking about how to deal with these, if we have these diagnoses, I want everybody to consider how we can keep the mouth as clean as possible? Can we remove as much inflammation and infection out of the mouth so that we have better results with our treatment? And hopefully we will be cured and never have to think about that again. So, how do we know if we have this P. gingivalis? In your dental office, there's so many great saliva tests today. There is probably half a dozen. The one that I use that I've had a podcast about is the bristle saliva test that checks for over 700 different species in the mouth. And certainly P. gingivalis is one of those. There are several other bacteria that are known to be prevalent in other chronic diseases as well. So we can really see, and what I like about bristles, we can compare it to how much good there is, right? Because remember, it's not just about the quantity, but the balance there. So we can look. And if we have high levels of P. gingival, then we know, okay, this is an action item. What do I need to do? And I have a fantastic, my little six-week course to reversing gum disease. One of those bugs we're going after is the P. gingival. So there's a link to the that that great thing. It again reverses gum disease, but not just gum disease, because we know gum disease is linked to so many other diseases. So by cleaning up the mouth, we prevent most all chronic inflammatory diseases. We can optimize our hormones. We started this podcast talking all about estrogen, how much of an impact of optimal estrogen levels create health in the oral cavity and throughout the body. That's really important. Finding a doctor who can navigate, test properly, navigate. And the new study show it's not even too late. Even if you've been in menopause two 10 years, it's not too late to have that evaluated. There are so many different ways between, and we want it to be a bioidentical. Okay, that's really important. This is not putting on birth control, but a doctor who understands about using bioidentical hormones to optimize your estrogen, your progesterone, your DHA, um, testosterone as well. Really important to investigate that. It's pretty well established that women who go into menopause later, have babies later in life, tend to live longer because they have higher levels of estrogen for longer, or I should say, optimal levels of estrogen a little bit longer. So, as far as dental, like I said, we may want to consider looking at those roots. Now, there are also tests that we can use to we stick like a little paper point around that tooth before we remove it and see, hey, are there these serious bacteria? Sometimes we find spirochies, right? Like lime in the teeth, right? Lime is one of those things that can be difficult to treat. And if it's sitting in the in your jawbone and you're not doing anything about it, then you're gonna be chronically trying to manage that inflammation. So again, we can first or once you take out a tube, it's forever. So it's a really big deal. And we have to really think about that. There is a newer test, it's called Orea A-U-R-I-A. It's the first at-home biological breast cancer screening test powered by tears. So you get a little box and you extract, you put a little paper point right in the corner of your eye, send that into the lab. And that will tell you if you what it's looking for is a specific protein that's been found to be associated with breast cancer. So if that protein is found, you will get a clinically significant result. So again, that gives you a little bit more information to be shared with your doctors and to see, okay, that mammogram, did it look weird? Should I get an ultrasound? Should I do some more further testing because I do have this protein? Or for me, mine actually came up clinically significant. So it's oh boy, okay, we need to do some more lymph draining. And I started really taking a lot of proteolytic enzymes to try to break down these proteins that maybe didn't need to be there, and now it has gone back to normal. So that's really exciting. But you can check out that test. It's trying to remember, maybe about $200 or so, maybe less. Not too bad if you look for good peace of mind and to again jumpstart your prevention techniques. That is another, it's a little bit of an expensive test, but the company DNA Connections has a couple of different different methods that we can try to test these things before we make the ultimate decision to remove the tooth. I also really love uh using biofeedback mechanisms. This is another way to kind of tap into our energy systems. One of the systems I really love that I use now. Called energy for life. And it is a way of scanning your entire body seal to see how much energy do you have in the organs? How well is it flowing? Right. We talked about how important that was. Is there, are there certain pathways and immune pathways? What are your emotions? That's again how much I value this type of energy work because we can see the balance. We can see things that we need to work on. And with that system comes what they call infaceuticals, which are homeopathic remedies that help put the energy and the information back to the body. The body can get confused sometimes when there's so much toxicity or any other kind of bugs going on. The messages, right, as the body's trying to message and talk to each other, they can get disrupted. So the infaceuticals are a way to reconnect the proper energy pathways. So our body healed itself. Because ultimately, that is how we become healthy beings. It's not about killing something or taking something away, but it's about reestablishing our body's ultimate lifeline, how it knew the body innately knows how to heal itself. If we can remove all of the burdens, it will heal itself. We hear about these miraculous recoveries from stage four of cancer. Is it a miracle? Or did we just tap back into the body's innate wisdom? PMF, pulsed electromagnetic frequency. There are a lot of mats out there. There are some called an amp coil with the energy for life. There is a handheld team. Dr. Jerry Tennant has some wonderful tools called a biomodulator that again directly he will tell you if you maintain proper energy in your stomach meridian, you will never get breast cancer or prostate cancer. That's a pretty, pretty strong statement, but he stands behind that. So again, how do we create keep good energy flowing through our body at all times? One way we can also do that is acupuncture, right? That's exactly how acupuncture works. The acupuncturist will put a needle on a specific meridian point that allows the flow of the energy through all of that. So that's a wonderful modality to ensure that energy is flowing everywhere. My other favorite thing is qigong. I don't feel as well every day if I don't get in my 15 minutes of qigong. It is just gentle movement of using your breath, using very simple, slow movements to ensure all of the energy is connected and that it's moving very well. My favorite is called Yochi, Y-O-Chi-I.com. And she's got some great for a very minimal amount of money every month. She's got a ton of great videos, and I love all the ones that are 15 minutes, but you can find free ones on YouTube as well. And it's a really excellent way to start your day. It will keep you calm. And again, it's it is not only doing the physical energy, but with all the breathing and the calming, and so some of it is using sounds, right? We're getting the emotional body as well. So you get a really big bang for a buck, 15 minutes in the morning, you can really help jumpstart that that proper energy flow. I hope I've given you some information, some food for thought. Again, please check out my little six-week course because that is a great way, a very holistic way to try to uproot the inflammation that is at the root of many, many chronic diseases. And I hope that you enjoy this. Please share it with others. And I'll see you on the next episode, everyone. Have a great day. Huge thanks to you, our amazing listeners, for helping us climb into the top 5% of podcasts in the oral health space. With all the love and support, we've been getting many requests for one on one consultations. So we made it happen. Are you ready to take your oral health to the next level? Click the link in the show notes to book your personalized consultation and let's kickstart your journey to a healthier, brighter smile starting today. We'll see you then.