The Root of the Matter

Toxins, Triggers, and Trusting Your Body: A Whole-Person Detox Guide

• Dr. Rachaele Carver, D.M.D. Board-Certified, Biologic, Naturopathic Dentist • Season 3 • Episode 20

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In this powerful episode of The Root of the Matter, Dr. Rachaele Carver sits down with two of her favorite practitioners and her very first repeat guests, Makenzie Evangelisto, functional nutritionist and founder of Harvest Wellness & Nutrition, and Katie Kitzing certified Emotion Code and Body Code practitioner from Honey Holistic Health.

Together, they dive deep into the connection between drainage, detoxification, and emotional health, revealing why true detox is about much more than supplements and green juices.

You’ll learn:

  • The difference between detoxification and drainage and why both are essential for lasting wellness.
  • How emotions get stored in the body and block physical healing.
  • The surprising ways your nervous system health determines how well you detox.
  • Why over-detoxing can backfire and how to listen when your body says “enough.”
  • Real-life tools and gentle modalities such as muscle testing, castor oil packs, ionic foot baths, and body code work that support safe and effective cleansing.
  • How mindset, prayer, and emotional processing can open the body’s natural pathways and help you feel grounded, lighter, and more resilient.

This conversation blends science, spirituality, and real experience to remind us that healing happens when we slow down, honor our emotions, and let the body flow.

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Makenzie Evangelisto
🌐 harvestwellnessandnutrition.com
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Katie Kitzing
🌐 honeyholistichealth.com
📸 Instagram: @honeyholistichealth

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Dr.Caver:

Hello, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of The Root of the Matter. I am your host, Dr. Rachel Cover. And today we have our first ever meeting with three of us. I'm very excited. And our first ever repeat guest. You guys have been listening to the podcast for a while. You may recognize Mackenzie Evangelista and Katie Kitzing, two of my favorite people and two people who make up my uh health team. So welcome guys. I'm so excited to have you today. We're in the middle of our detox series. So we are going to be talking about Mackenzie is a functional nutritionist. Katie has a couple of degrees and but I use her for my emotion code work. So we are going to talk about kind of drainage and detox and why we need to address the emotions as part of our detox protocol. So Mackenzie, I'm going to throw it over to you first to tell us a little bit about what does detoxification mean to you and how does that differ out of drainage.

Makenzie:

Yeah, that's a really great question. And honestly, sometimes when I hear at first, I'm like, hold on, I need to pause and think about this for a minute, too, because bolts seem interchangeable in the functional, holistic, alternative space. And you'll hear us throw those terms around all the time. Like they're buzzwords now. You hear them everywhere. Make sure you're supporting your detoxification. Make sure you're supporting your drainage pathways. While they certainly coincide with one another, there are some differences as well. So, in simple terms, we can think of detoxification as the biochemical processes that occur within the body for it to neutralize and expedite toxins or different like pathogens from the body. While the drainage pathways is like the plumbing throughout that detoxification. So the detoxification, in simple terms, is more that biochemical pathway. And that's typically happening in your liver and in your kidneys. And so for that, you're going to have within the liver phase one and phase two detoxification. So during phase one, that's really where your body is taking these toxic substances and it's actually turning it into more toxic substances, which is pretty interesting. Then in phase two, this is where amino acids really come into play. And with the amino acids, it conjugates to these more toxic substances that the body has created as a byproduct of detoxification. And then it's helping to package it up and essentially send it out the shoe, which is either going to go through your urinary system or through the bile in your bowel movement. And that's really dependent upon if something is more of a water-soluble-based toxin or if something is more of a fat-soluble toxin. Then you have phase three detoxification as well, which is that full elimination excretion process. Now, the drained pathways we live in are going to be things like your lymphatic system and supporting the liver and the kidneys as a whole, making sure that people are like pooping on a daily basis, right? That's a big one. So if we're not pooping properly, then we're not going to be eliminating those toxins. I would say those are like the primary declencies of the two. So just to kind of recap your detoxification pathway is going to be more of that biochemical process. And then the drainage pathways is going to be the plumbing throughout that kind of moves and actually excretes those toxins after they've been neutralized and processed.

Dr.Caver:

So that's really simple.

Makenzie:

We simplified it as much as we can. We broke it down.

Dr.Caver:

Yes. So detox is happening in those in our organs, and drainage is more of a whole process to make sure that once the liver and kidneys are doing the thing, it actually gets out of the body. Because unfortunately, some of us maybe are cloggy, right? We have so much stuff in our the sewer, right? We think of the lymph system as the sewer. And if we are sedentary, which most of us are sedentary beings, they always say, well, our elimination, our lymph doesn't have a pump like the heart to move our blood, right? So unless we are moving, that we're not moving the lymph. So it can become very stagnant and then it makes it more challenging. Many of us suffer from constipation. That's another form of sluggishness and lack of elimination. So if you are not having one to two to three bowel movements a day, that's a problem, right? If you look at our animals, they eat and poop immediately, right? That is how the body is designed. There's actually a reflux, reflex in our stomach. Once food hits there, there's a reflex that goes to our large intestine, be like, okay, let's make room, move it on out, right? So many of us have toxins, we have all sorts of things at the most and so if we are not eliminating what's happening, one, we could be building up all those toxins in the large intestine, or a lot of those, there's also a connection from the large intestine right back to the liver. So we can often recirculate, and those toxins will then come back to the liver, or then if the liver's over, well, I gotta stuff it somewhere. And where do toxins like to be stored in our fat. So when we think about, you know, if we're gaining weight, what is that really a sign of? Could that be a sign that we're redistributing toxins? And so we're gonna make more fat because toxins are very dangerous, right? We don't want them in our brain, we don't want them in our liver, we don't want them in our heart, right? So the body is ingenious. Okay, let's store, let's keep them in the fat. So anytime you feel like you're gaining weight, this is what we want to see. How can I detox? How can I open those drainage pathways better? And again, constipation is something a lot of us suffer from and it's very challenging. In that vein of one of the reasons, maybe Katie, you can pipe in here and talk to us a little bit about that whole idea of constipation and holding on to something. Like, what do you see in terms of some of my rear clients? Do you do you notice a pattern in people who tend to be more constipated that there's some emotional component there?

Katie:

Absolutely. There's our emotions are really, in a way, almost an invisible version of some of the physical things that clog up our system. So there might be a toxin or a pathogen that's stuck and stored in the body, and our emotions are similar to that. So if we use the analogy of maybe, let's say you're looking at a stream of water, though you would see the stream of water go from one side to the other. And an emotion might represent a really big rock. So what happens is that water starts to flow around the rock. And if you have tons of rocks in that river, you start to see that overall that flow starts to slow down. It's not flowing as fast as it should. And maybe even in some cases it pools up in a little area because things have gotten stuck. And so it's going to interfere with the body's ability to process information, whether it's something emotional or maybe a pathogen or some type of a toxin like that. And all of the, there's many different reasons why someone might store that information, that emotional memory. But that could range from someone who's just busy, they're a workaholic and they're moving all day, every day, and haven't had time to acknowledge their emotions. There's no time. Or maybe they're just someone who's not really connected to their emotions at all. And those emotions just want to be acknowledged. And if we're not working through our emotions in real time or at least on a reasonable time, those emotions will stay and just hold right there in the body, in our tissues and maybe even our lymphatic drainage pathways. And they're invisible, but they get lodged in those soft tissues and organs and glands.

Dr.Caver:

And that people think, I mean, emotion isn't a physical thing. Like, how can that be? If people write this out as that's just woo, I mean, there is actually science backing this up now, right? But how do you explain, like, you know, that emotion is actually a frequency, right? Like everything in the whole entire universe is energy, right? Our body, our physical body is just a condensation of energy to make it be matter. But really, if you look at us really under the microscope, it's all just energetic. So is there a way maybe to explain to that audience how an emotion can maybe get maybe explain it a little bit, how it gets stuck or what is it doing to the tissues of the body?

Katie:

Right. So, like you said, every emotion has a frequency to it. And the frequencies that are most likely to get stored and stuck in our body are going to be negative frequencies, negative frequency emotion. If you really just think about it in a very practical sense, when we are feeling depressed or sad or lonely, we might want to, we might feel heavy. We are more likely to scrunch up our body and isolate ourselves. Whereas if we're feeling really happy, we're upbeat, we can't move upward. So imagine that frequency of emotion is actually getting stored and stuck in the body. And so it's almost like an invisible rock. So I use the analogy of a rock a lot because it's we all know what an actual rock looks like, but it's like the frequency gets stored in almost like this like form where it just gets lodged and stuck. It could go anywhere, right? If we are vulnerable in the moment because we have a cough, we have a pathogen, that emotion might get stored right there in your lungs. Whereas if you have an old injury in your knee, that's a weak part of the body. The emotion might get lodged right there. So it can get stuck anywhere from in your tooth to in your toe or in your lungs, but negative frequencies just tend to get stored a bit more easier. So I hope that answers the question that I can clarify.

Dr.Caver:

So let's think about somebody, let's say, is coming to you, Mackenzie, they need help losing weight. I think this is a very big problem that we're all experiencing. As I just mentioned, a lot of it is toxin. So where do we start? And how do we most of us know, okay, I should drink more, I should exercise more, but why is it so much more complex than just eating fewer calories and exercising more? We know that that just does not because again, there's this complexity to the emotions, right? So, how do you, if you're somebody wanting to detox, maybe wanting to lose weight, wanting to get in shape, where do they start? And how do you take them through the process?

Makenzie:

That's a really great question. It is such a hot topic because who doesn't want to lose weight and feel good, honestly? But it's pretty prevalent throughout our society that people are holding on to weight, especially women. Like I'll get a lot of clients who are who are maybe just approaching menopause or now they are in menopause and they're like, I don't understand. This was never me in the past. I could barely exercise, eat what I wanted, and then I would never put on any weight. But now all of a sudden, and the first response is always one to blame hormones. And then two, it's always to come back to I'm dieting and I'm exercising, but nothing is working now. And I like to tell my clients that that calories in, calories out mindset and approach is a totally outdated methodology to thinking about weight loss. Because to your point, Dr. Carver, it is I like to tell my clients it's not really complex, but it is nuanced. So there's just a lot of different intricacies that fall into this and the reasons why behind somebody could be putting on weight. So the first thing I always tell my clients is, I apologize ahead of time because obviously this weight didn't happen overnight. It took some time to get here. So it's not going to be a quick fix. And you might see, like in the very beginning, with making some nutritional changes or maybe changing the way that we're moving our bodies or treating our bodies, you might see like a couple pounds come off. But for the most part, when the body starts storing this adipose tissue, it is a sign that these things have been going on longer term than we expected. And so there's a lot of internal imbalances happening that lead to this point in time. So I tell them that unfortunately, the two things that are the most stubborn to deal with that just take a long time to really address and self-correct is the weight piece and the skin piece. So it's the first thing that we want to be addressed because hello, we live in a very vain society and we want to feel good and look good and like what we're seeing in the mirror a lot of the times, but it's gonna take a lot more than just some dieting and exercising and the whole caloric intake. So a couple of things that can really impact that is yes, definitely emotion. Katie and I collaborate a lot in practice. I always tell her, my clients wouldn't be today where they are. They wouldn't be so successful without the body coat and the emotion code on top of it, because we are, we talk about this all the time in the functional space mind, body, spirit. But are we actually addressing all of these components? Not really. We're still trying to like out-supplement a spiritual need. We're still trying to outmodality, right? Like an emotional need, but it's just not gonna work that way. So that adipose tissue can be a sign that maybe there's an estrogen imbalance because estrogen is one of the number one hormones that does get stored in adipose tissue. Maybe there's some emotions that are stuck there that we're holding on to that we haven't quite released yet. And then to your point, Dr. Carver, yeah, the body is designed so beautifully, it's going to protect us always. So these toxins, when there is an overload of them or like a long-term accumulation, it's gonna end up in the adipose tissue. So we really like to start simple in my practice. So, are you drinking water with lemon and salt and minerals when you wake up in the morning? Because you know, your body has been detoxing all night long. You are essentially in a fasted state when you go to sleep at night. So the first thing we want to do is really help and support that liver to flushing out any toxins that it was working on clearing out at night. So that's like step one. Are we drinking water? Are we having minerals? And then from there, we can really build off of the foundations. So this is where we then step into detoxification, drainage pathways. Are there any pathogens, toxins, or emotions involved? And everything is in layers. So we could be working. I think of one client, and I think Katie probably knows this client that I'm thinking of as well. And just as a quick example, we had been working together for probably a year and a half on all the physical layers. And it did, it just kept coming up. Physical. So we supported her with good nutrition, supplementation. She did have a history of under-eating, over-exercising, and she just really wanted to lose weight, but nothing was working. Her weight did tick up a little bit at first, which is like a natural response to somebody that's been under-eating for a really long time. And then it started to plateau, and she was like, okay, it's finally plateaued, but it's not moving. And then finally, with muscle testing, her body was suggesting there is an energetic need here. And there are some emotions that are being stored in this adipose tissue that we need to clear in order for us to really get to this next physical layer. So I suggested, hey, I have a practitioner, colleague, friend who does body code, emotion code. Your body's suggesting this is an energetic emotional need. And we need to go address this before we can step forward with anything else. I will tell you, two appointments later with Katie, she comes back and she doesn't even want to say it out loud. She's McKenzie, I lost over five pounds. And I'm like, what? And she goes, I don't even want to talk about it. Like it's literally been years since I lost weight. But it just went to show and further confirm that like energies play a huge role, especially emotions in this process as well.

Dr.Caver:

And Kate, for maybe for those of us who don't aren't familiar with body code, emotion code, maybe give us a little summary of like, okay, so Mackenzie refers this patient to you. How do you start? What are you looking for? So obviously she comes with a problem, right? Help me. Mackenzie suggested I come to you because maybe there's something that I need to do to lose weight. So tell us a little bit about the process.

Katie:

Yeah, so Mackenzie, she sets the stage so nicely when she refers a client to me. She tells me, hey, this is what the client's coming in for. Here is the problem that we're seeing. Maybe this person's struggling with losing weight, or their nervous system is switched, or there's a fungus that's stuck, and her the body is suggesting there's something energetic. So I really step in where Mackenzie left off. And so I use the muscle testing to ask the body, is there something energetic contributing to this issue? Maybe it is losing weight or a fungus or whatever it is. And then we use the body code, which is really a way to explore all the energetic pieces that are keeping this person stuck. So most of the time, that is going to be an emotion. It the body code could be really specific on identifying when these emotions originated, what was the source? Why was that person feeling panicked or afraid or feeling really lonely? But the body code could also identify other energetic things like a pathogen can be physical or energetic. And what that means is physically it can be in the body. It's gonna resonate in a lab or maybe in your muscle test. But sometimes it's just energetic. And that just means that the life force is still impacting you, even though physically it's not showing up. So that could be a person that's had a lingering cough for years, even though they don't have the virus anymore. So the body code will pick up all different types of energies, and through the power of whether it's prayer or intention, mindfulness, those are all ways that our body can naturally begin to let these things go.

Dr.Caver:

That's where kind of that spiritual part comes in too, right?

Katie:

Absolutely.

Dr.Caver:

The mind, body, but also the spirit. And we know, I mean, there are countless stories of people praying and then miraculous recoveries. And is it miraculous? Or were we just correcting the energies and we got this body to vibrate high enough that the energetic and physical negativities are removed from the body? There's just there's so much power, and there's so much science now showing all this stuff that I think is really neat. So, one of the things you guys both talked about Kid, you just mentioned the nervous system. When Mackenzie, you mentioned about layers. So it's kind of like an onion. We talk about this in functional medicine. That yes, maybe you have candida, and maybe you have a parasite, and then maybe you have heavy metals, you know. But we have to heal in the right layers, or sometimes this is what happened to me all those years. I just kept detoxing, detoxing, but not necessarily in the right layers, not really paying attention to my nervous system. And when I started to understand, wow, I think a lot of my emotions, a lot of my thoughts are affecting my digestive system, which affects the immune system. Okay, I am a type A, I am in my head all the time. Like, I really need to start at the top with the nervous system. So I've come around to this fact, too. And even when we're talking about like tooth infections and cavitation surgeries, it's the person like, yeah, we can go in there and we can dride it out physically, but if you still have even the energetic or physical pieces of ramp into your body, they're gonna go right back to that space. Any site where you've just had surgery, you know, it's going to initially have lower energy, right? Because it's gonna need to heal. So again, and when I'm thinking about these cavitation patients now, I'm thinking, okay, what do we need to do to get the nervous system right so that the digestive system, right? So that the immune system, because what I'm seeing a lot now in a lot of patients who are used to be very stable and all of a sudden they've got a million cavities, like something is majorly impacting their immune system. And when I peel back the layer, so much of it often is this emotional stress piece. Yes, maybe there's some supplements, but how do we talk a little bit more about the muscle testing and how the nervous system can get blocked or switched?

Katie:

Yes. So the nervous system is I'll speak to it. I know Mackenzie will have an additional point to make with the nervous system. So our nervous system really is the foundation in really how we interpret the world. It impacts our emotional responses, it impacts our decision making, right? Because our body is one big memory bank. So if there is a lot of emotion stored in there, a lot of panic and fear or trauma, this is gonna be someone who's on edge, right? If to put an analogy to it, it's gonna be like living in a house that's on unsolid ground. And so it starts to become almost like a faulty, maybe like a smoke signal in your house, where it's making your body live as if you're in fear or on edge, or you need to be really defensive when maybe that isn't a very real threat. So the nervous system can start to be confused or it can start to be what we call blocked or switched. And I'll have Mackenzie describe that a little bit more in depth. But in a nutshell, what I have found is sometimes our emotional experiences will almost block our nervous system. We call it a block, and that can keep us from moving forward and healing, right? This is the person who they've done some body code work, they've done some nutrition testing, and it's just not really budging. That's a nervous system that is blocked. Or it can bring confusion in your nervous system. And this could be the person that's like, yeah, I felt great after our session, but then I got worse again. My body just it doesn't really know what to do with the information it's receiving. So it's critical to get on the front end, calm that nervous system so that body feels safe so it could receive the healing in a more effective way.

Makenzie:

Yeah, and just to echo everything that Katie just said, it's another buzz term, right? Like we hear the term being thrown around all the time. You gotta address the nervous system health, you gotta address the nervous system health. Okay, what are we actually talking about when we're discussing the nervous system health? So for us with the muscle testing, what we are predominantly working with is your autonomic nervous system. And that autonomic nervous system is generating all these auto functions in your body. So it is the digestion, it is your breathing, it is your detoxification pathways. Now, that autonomic nervous system gets broken into two primary categories, which is your parasympathetic state and your sympathetic state. Before I move forward, Dr. Carver, is there a way to share screen? Because I actually do have an image for people who are visual.

Dr.Caver:

Yes.

Makenzie:

Awesome. So those of you who are visual out there in the audience, I am also a visual learner as well. So this is something that I introduce to all of my clients because we really start with the nervous system health. So that autonomic nervous system, like I was just saying, is broken into two primary categories, which is that parasympathetic state and the sympathetic state. So that parasympathetic is supposed to be that relaxation response. That's your rest and digest. That's also where the healing happens too. So healing and repair happens in that parasympathetic state. And then you have your sympathetic nervous system. So this is our stress response. This is fine or flight. So this is when cortisol, adrenaline, norepinephrine, all of these hormones are being activated, which keeps us in that sympathetic state. We do want to be experiencing that sympathetic state because that is what keeps us awake and alert. However, we don't want that dominating over that parasympathetic state. So where I'm really trying to get to is these things can both be affected, yes, emotionally, which is where the functional medicine space, the holistic space talks really frequently about and like over-emphasizes and rightfully. But there is also physical stressors on that autonomic nervous system, which can contribute to these blocks and these switches that we're talking about. So this is where things like nutrition and supplementation does come into play because you can be working on that emotional component all day long. But if you have something that is physically taxing this autonomic nervous system, that's gonna keep that body in a stressed-out state. And as much as we would love to believe that we can outground these things, and I do believe radical healing as well. So sometimes we can pray these things away. But for the most part, we are gonna need some type of like physical support. So if we don't have that combination support of both that energetic emotional component with things like body code, emotion code, grounding, breathing techniques, prayer meditation combined with the physical factors that might be taxing this nervous system, we're never really gonna see those blocks and those switches actually self-correct in the body. So it's really important to be mindful of both of those things. So when I'm muscle testing with clients, I will sometimes just ask the body, is this uh switch that's happening in this autonomic nervous system, is this physical, is it energetic, or is it a combination of both? And if both do present, sometimes we need to be careful because again, coming back to those layers, we need to make sure that the body is ready to address one or the other, or maybe both at the same time. So there will be times with muscle testing where I ask the client's body, is this something that the body is ready to address from a physical standpoint? Yes. Is this something that the body is ready to address from an energetic standpoint? No. And we need to honor that too, because the body is always trying to protect ourselves. So coming back to that very first question where we talked about detoxification and drainage pathways, everything in life does have a frequency to it. So these physical factors are gonna be frequencies traveling through that same highway system. And the energies are also gonna travel through that same highway system. So if we think about these pathogens, toxins, and energies as cars on the road, the more vehicles we have, the more congested that highway is gonna become. Sometimes the body is saying we need to address the physical first because we need to clear out that highway before we can make room for more vehicles, which is where that emotional component comes into the play. So I know that kind of goes a little bit beyond just the blocking and the switching, but I hope that answers things for people and having that visual here can be really helpful.

Dr.Caver:

Yeah, it's great. And I, while you're talking, it makes me think of you know, you maybe maybe you have a friend or a relative who eats all the junk food in the world and never exercise and yet they're happy and healthy, like so not fair. What the heck? But perhaps it's because their nervous system is more balanced. They're they're not worried. I think this was also part of my problem too. As I started to learn a little bit more and I was detailed, it was like, it was all like, oh my god, if I don't do that, I started to become that term orthorexic. Like everything was a problem, and you you overthink every little morsel you're putting in your body and every little toxic element that's in the house in the air, and you know, you create more stress. So even though you're becoming aware, that extra stress on a nervous system is impeding you from making real progress. Some of the people who are blissfully unaware that all the toxic in the environment, sometimes they might be healthier because their nervous system isn't stressed out, right? They don't have that extra many extra vehicles right on the road clogging up all of their pathways. So again, you know, why it's so important that we combine all these things. I know my health really took the turn for the better when I started addressing more of this emotional thing. And as you said, like I first knew Mackenzie and she referred me to Katie, and we've been working together for a couple of years now, maybe one, two months. I'm like, I don't like going too long without talking to Katie because she just makes everything feel good and calm and and uh and again I like having therapy, but also there's a there's that that physical side to it because you know you're not just talking about it, but you're actually moving that energy away. And it's it's helped me learn a lot about myself too, because I'm like, oh, I'm acting this way because of that pattern that I had from age three. So it's crazy all the things that come up from such a long time ago, but we know in zero to six, that's where your nervous system is being impacted the most. And pretty much by age six, your nervous system has already determined the filter for the rest of your life, whether that's good or bad. And so I think the emotions are really powerful to go back some of the behaviors. Maybe you don't, maybe you want to you change something about your thought pattern or your habits, but if you don't really understand where they came from or they started or how that energy could be stuck in a pathway, it's really hard to make changes. So if you're the kind of person who wants to do something differently, maybe we actually have to physically move the energy in the right, right place or something. So we've talked about muscle testing, which is really great. And I know Mackenzie, every time I see her, she'll say, helps the nervous system, what are the things we need to do? But also what other maybe detox modalities? Because I work in a very toxic profession. I'm around heavy metals and plastics and all sorts of bad stuff all the time. So I need to be constantly trying to move that stuff through my body. So maybe you guys can talk about what are some other detox modalities that you see are the most helpful. For people. Yeah.

Makenzie:

I can start first and wants to chime in here too. And how we can integrate that into the muscle testing too. So I just want to say that is the beauty of the muscle testing as well. So we're communicating directly with the body with muscle testing. So we can explore what modalities are going to be best for this person at this point in time. Because again, we do also want to make sure when the nervous system is coming up as already in a stressed-out state, we don't want to further place stress on that nervous system. We want to support it. And although all these different detox modalities, supplements, nutrition, these are wonderful things to be supporting the body. Sometimes if we're doing a little too much, that's going to stress out our bodies as well. So that's where we start to get into things like herximer reactions, which is a detox reaction. And that is also communication from the body that maybe we're doing too much or we're doing something too soon. So we also have to be careful of honoring that as well. And we really want to respect the body throughout this process. Some of the different detox modalities that you can implement over time are things like castor oil packs. Those are amazing for liver gallbladder health. Some people place them on their thyroid if they're experiencing some kind of thyroid toxicity. We can place that over the ovaries as well. So if people have things like cysts, a lot of the times these cysts are going to be accumulation of toxins or pathogens or other things being stored in the body. And the body is really just trying to protect it by like encapsulating these things so they don't go in other directions in the body. So castor oil packs are a great way to detox things like I know, Dr. Cover, you have it in your office as well, and I did. The ion cleanse, which is an ionic foot bath. So it's really pulling out toxins throughout the body into the water. Other modalities can be things like acupuncture. I tell people there is nothing that moves the energy in the body quite the way that acupuncture does. So those are some really great additional detox modalities. But again, we don't want to just go dive headfirst into all these modalities. We also want to keep it simple and ask ourselves the question Am I actually supporting my body from a foundational perspective, like on a very basic level, before I start diving into these things? Because what I do see is a lot of people want to go head first into these modalities, but they're in a credibly depleted state. So they're missing a lot of their micronutrients. So micronutrients, for those of you who don't know, are gonna be like your vitamins and your minerals and your food. So most of us are walking around in a completely depleted state without realizing it. And if we just added in that very basic mineral support, that's gonna help those detoxification processes and those drainage pathways way more than any other detox modality. So I always start with my clients with making sure that we're getting those foundations in first. And then as the body suggests that it's ready to start implementing some of these other detox modalities, that's when we'll add in things like supplementation. We'll do the foot bath. Maybe we're implementing castor oil packs or infrared sauna is a great way to detox heavy metals. So that's really what I do from my standpoint. And then with Katie, we collaborate a lot and we've come to learn that just like the toxins and the pathogens, like we've been talking about from the emotional standpoint, they're all traveling on that same highway system. So sometimes during what we call your processing time for body code, which Katie can speak more on this, you might need something to help facilitate that out. So she will ask, is there maybe a detox modality that this person can benefit from after this session? So I'll let you take the reins on that, Katie.

Katie:

Yes, that's a really good point. There, our body, when it's processing out emotions, it's not much different than processing out an actual toxin or a pathogen. And there will be times that the body is suggesting it needs support. So at the end of each session, I'll ask how about roughly how many days does this person need to process this information? And really what I'm asking is roughly how long is it going to take for this person to adjust for from all the work that we've done? But it's like when you've gone to a massage and you feel really great afterwards. And then the next day you're like, gosh, I feel a little crummy. Maybe it's all those toxins getting pushed out of my body. And then maybe the following day you start to feel better. Or if you do a sauna or a hot tub and then you just feel achy afterwards, that might be a sign you need to replenish yourself with some water and some minerals. The same thing is often needing, is needed with the emotion and body code. And so there will be times that the body suggests, hey, some type of homeopathic remedy is going to be needed here, whether that's a drainage tone. And that's really commonly, that's been given to me when I'm working on draining some type of a pathogen, but that's also something that could be done for energetic reasons as well for my emotions. Kidney tone is one that often will show up for people, or just those natural, like calm five, field of flowers, homeopathics are really commonly needed. And if the body isn't saying, hey, I don't need any physical support, almost always it's going to be beneficial for someone to do more just gentle, everyday things to help your lymphatic drainage. That's walking, that's stretching, that's drinking water with minerals. Sometimes people like to do something a little bit more. So they might use that jade roller to help their lymphatic drainage, or they might do those vibration plates or different things like that. And those are all gonna be helpful, gentle ways to process the emotional information.

Dr.Caver:

So I think what you guys both brought up was really important that often we overdo it. That the mentality is not only the colors in colors out, but the harder I exercise, the more I do that. And I was totally caught in this. The more I do, the faster I'm gonna heal and the better I'm gonna do. When in fact, it can actually deplete you further. As Mackenzie just said, like most of us are so so depleted. I remember years and years ago, I was working with this practitioner and it was all about this detox and detox and all these coffee enemas, and it was like a 10-day process, right? Okay, again. When you hear anything like 10-day detox, 21-day detox, okay, it's just nonsense because we've been accumulating toxins for most of us for decades, right? So to think that you can clear it all out in 10 or 21 days is just it's not gonna happen. Sounds good. And maybe you lose some water weight, but and maybe you have a little bit of energy, but that's it's very temporary. So anyway, I did this 10 days, and I did two coffee emas after. I was like, my eczema is worse than ever. And he's like, well, just do another coffee enema. And I I just think, and then very shortly after is where I found the cell phone, got on those two parasite products that for me, a lot of the uh Ayurvedic herbs in that pair too, I think really soothed my intestines, and that allowed because when my eczema is flaring, that means the toxins are coming out of my skin. And even though I was doing these coffee enemas, my intestines were still not amenable to really proper flushing. I was like forcing it out versus letting my body do the thing. So when I had all that meme and all that good moisturizing, healthy stuff, that's when my eczema really started to go away after months. So, you know, more is not always better. And again, this is why muscle testing, we talk about it all the time on the podcast. And so many more people are familiar with this, and so many practitioners are understand how to do this because again, especially when we have all these complex issues and maybe been dealing with something for a long time, we need to heal in the right layers and we need to do it at the right times and not over there. Sometimes maybe that we need to not do anything, right? And we just need to be like, okay, we pushed whatever supplement really hard. No, we just need to rest. And it shouldn't, we have to think of it like a marathon, right? It is not, it is going to take time. And when you can get your nervous system to be like, I'm okay, I have the support, I will get there, because that mindset is also so important. And like Kenzie, you said right at the beginning, listen, if you're looking for the quick fix, I'm not the person for you. If that's not how it's gonna work. And so having that right mindset is going to help balance that nervous system and then be able to go through these steps one by one, which is so important. One of the questions we talked about ahead of time that I sent you guys is like, why do some people accumulate more toxins than others? And I I think I've answered it a little bit, like those of us who are more stressed out, right? We have more of those vehicles on the road. And it could be somewhat genetics too. A lot of there's always talk about this MTHFR and the ability to not detoxify really well. I don't know if you've adds had any other thoughts too about that question.

Katie:

Yeah, I think from the emotional perspective, I have some people that come in and they ask themselves, gosh, why am I always showing up with nervous system disruption or why am I always absorbing other people's emotions? And you know, if you really think, like you said, Dr. Carver, our nervous system is really established in those early years of life. And if someone grew up experiencing a lot of emotional experiences or trauma, or maybe there's generational trauma, they're living in a nervous system that doesn't feel safe. And if you really think of when you're feeling safe in your body, you're grounded, you're comfortable, you're not having to look around in every moment and thinking, am I safe? What do people think? Do I trust that person's facial expressions? What are their intentions? You're just present in the moment. But if someone's nervous system is hyper-vigilant and they need to know, am I safe? Can I trust these people? They are automatically more vulnerable to take on the stress of the world. They're more likely to reinforce their own nervous system dysregulation, and that's going to help build that toxin load. So getting safe in your body and being grounded is one of the first, one of the preventative ways that we can help reduce that risk of that toxin exposure emotionally or even physically.

Dr.Caver:

I think that's that makes me think that um as a mom, right? Mostly our children's nervous system for the most part is highly adapted to the mother's nervous system, right? And I look at my own kids and they're definitely more anxious than more, and because I was so stressed out when they were little, and then I got to the framework, oh my gosh, I can't feed them this, and I can't feed them in this toxin is gonna kill them. And coming from a good place, wanting to protect my kids, but my whole response coming from fear instead of love, right? Fear is the lowest vibration, the lowest frequency we can have. We see what happened with the whole COVID. There was so much fear that was being pushed out into society, which was not a good thing. So I think as moms, especially if you're a new mom with young kids, thinking about where I had one practitioner one time I was having my daughter see how to do neurofeedback. And she said, I won't treat your daughter unless you treat yourself first. And I was like, interesting. I was like, huh, okay. And I wasn't offended because I was like, I was really open to learning and but I was just like, that's so interesting. And I think that's really true. Sometimes I see in my practice a lot of uh these uh families that are so holistic and they're doing everything right. Why are the kids getting all these counties? It doesn't make sense. They're doing everything right, but then also it's like are we so anxious about it? And so I think that that's really really important kind of setting that tone in those early years, making the kids uh feel like they're safe and everything, because like you said, by that age, it's like hard. And now it doesn't mean, oh, now you know, but it's too late, but because that's why we have people like wonderful Katie who will help us try to navigate that and unleash some of that early trauma that created those patterns. And so if we become clear and then we start working on them, we can make good progress. Yeah, uh so we talked a little bit, you just mentioned Katie about prevention. But as I just said, one of the ways prevention is trying to make all of ourselves and our children especially feel safe in their environment. Any other ways you think that we can both emotionally and physically uh protect our bodies from all of these toxins? You guys have been listening to the podcast, you hear me say it a million times 80,000 plus chemicals in our environment. We can't be stressed out with them. It is what it is. So, what do you each of you maybe as we wrap it up here? What are some really good, maybe preventative strategies, Dillo? Again, everything is individualized, but overall, what might be some good strategies for prevention of toxin accumulation?

Makenzie:

Yeah. Okay, do you want to go first or you want me to go first? Okay, okay. You got it, girl. This is one that is very close to my heart because right, they've either already worked with a practitioner or now we're getting like information overload on socials all the time. So it's just a constant influx of be scared of this, be scared of that, avoid this, avoid that. And I work with my clients and say we absolutely want to be consciously aware of where these things are coming from in our environment, and we want to reduce our overall exposure to these things because we don't want that constant accumulation. We also don't want to put our bodies in that stressed-out state because of that nervous system. So we don't want to be chronically fearing them either. So we are never going to live in a completely toxic free world anymore. We're always gonna be encountering them. So, what we want to do is one, be consciously aware, okay, where are these coming from? How can I maybe reduce some of this in my environment, especially my home or my workplace, because that's where I spend most of my time. And then two, we wanna be supporting the body's resiliency. So we wanna support it for when it does encounter these toxins, so that if it encounters it, it's not creating this systemic problem all the time. So your body is saying, look, there's that toxin, great, we know what to do with that. Let's flush it out because we've really worked on that highway system. There's not a lot of vehicles on the road. We could just move this along, no problem. And then the third thing I tell my clients, especially when it comes to food, right? Because we do know that nutrition is a foundational component. It is super important because of those vitamins and minerals that are in that food. If we are out and we are enjoying food and dining out, and most of the time we're making our meals at home, we're focusing on eliminating seed oils, we're buying predominantly organic produce, we're being careful with the quality of our meats at home. But the times we go out and we're trying to enjoy ourselves, don't stress over that food. That is the worst possible thing that you do because the moment you start stressing about that food, you are already stimulating that sympathetic nervous system domination. And then you are absolutely not going to digest anything on your plate. So this is where the power of prayer comes into place for me personally and for a lot of my clients. So make sure you're praying over that food. Ask your body to absorb as many of the nutrients that are actually existing in that food because we want to get that nourishment physically. But I tell my clients, you know, what's not necessarily nourishing the physical body is maybe nourishing the joy in your life. And that's really an important factor too, because you'll hear people come back to this is a topic for another day, but like the blue zones, right? Everyone's always crazy about the blue zones. Everybody lives to a hundred. This is what they do. But there is that like social communal factor. So maybe they are having a glass of wine, maybe they are having something that they wouldn't normally on a daily basis that maybe has some toxins in it. But because they're in a place in a state where they're thoroughly enjoying their company, they're gonna process that food way better and their bodies are gonna be able to handle that. And then lastly, on the point of prayer, that's also setting your nervous system up for success for being in that parasympathetic state. So there's prayer from an energetic standpoint, but then there's also a physical standpoint because you actually have to slow down when you're praying over your food. You have to take a minute to breathe. And so that really sets the tone in that nervous system. So that's how I approach it with my clients. So I'll have you speak more to that, Katie, from an energetic perspective.

Katie:

Yes, I just to reinforce honestly what Mackenzie said about not being so afraid in advance about all these toxins. The same thing goes with your emotions. It's not realistic to expect yourself to never be stressed and to never have a negative emotion. Because if I have a negative emotion, it's gonna get stuck and then I'm gonna cause my kids trauma. We have to remember that every single and every single emotion has a function and it's designed to communicate to our body. Just like an ache or pain is your body's way of saying, hey, there's something I need to address. The emotion of sadness is trying to communicate something that's important to you that you might need to grieve. Or loneliness is your body's way of saying that you need to connect with other people in your life. So slowing down and allowing yourself to go, what am I feeling? And what is the message trying to be conveyed through that emotion? And can I respond to that emotion? We are designed to be what emotional beings and responding to those emotions. So it's pretty remarkable how much the body will not store and get stuck if we're listening to our emotions, acknowledging them, feeling them, and responding. But to the other points of what Mackenzie said, truly living a little bit of a slower-paced life, where we're just going from one thing to the next and we're living in that sympathetic dominant state, slowing down, maybe considering having a Sabbath day, moving into more gratitude and prayer is going to physically and energetically help us get into that parasympathetic state. Those are great preventative measures.

Dr.Caver:

I'm not even gonna say any more because I think that was a fantastic wrap-up of everything that we said, and that is honoring your body, honoring every emotion. I think that was an important point. I'm really glad that you mentioned that. But everything is a chance for us to take stock of our life and everything around it. So, guys, thanks so much for joining me. If you guys want to mention real quickly how if others want to reach out, how they could find you, and we'll also put it in the show notes. That would be great.

Katie:

Yes. Thanks for having us, Dr. Carver. And our website here is honeyholistichealth.com. And we also have an Instagram, Honey Holistic Health.

Makenzie:

And for me, the website is Harvest Wellness and Nutrition, amd nutrition.com. And then you can also find us. I will be honest, I really try to practice what I preach, so you're not gonna find a lot on socials here. So if you want to connect, email is definitely best. Contacting us through the website. But we do have a social account, which is gonna be at harvest wellness and nutrition.

Dr.Caver:

Thanks again, guys, for spending your morning with me. Two of my favorite ladies, this good information to you because they keep me sane and healthy and happy. Thanks so much, guys. And I hope everybody enjoyed this episode. Next one coming up, we're gonna talk about detoxing our home and our beauty care products. So stay tuned. Have a great day, everybody. Thank you.