The Root of the Matter

Toxic Bucket Overflow: How to Empty It Before It Breaks You With Spencer Feldman

• Dr. Rachaele Carver, D.M.D. Board-Certified, Biologic, Naturopathic Dentist • Season 3 • Episode 19

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In this powerful continuation of our detox series, Dr. Rachaele Carver sits down with Spencer Feldman, founder and formulator of remedylink, a company known for its handcrafted, solvent-free detox products. Spencer has spent the last 30 years studying medical literature, filling in the gaps left by conventional medicine, and developing innovative protocols to help people detox safely and effectively.

From heavy metals and mold to biofilms and microbiome health, this conversation shines a light on the hidden toxins affecting us every day, and the smarter ways to support our body’s natural cleansing systems.

🔹 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

  • Spencer’s unconventional journey from mathematics to alternative medicine and product formulation
  • Why quick cleanses and fad detoxes rarely address the real issues
  • The “big four” toxic challenges: microbiome imbalances, toxic metals, mold, and sleep apnea
  • Why gut acidity and stool pH may reveal more about your health than expensive tests
  • The truth about chelation, how to avoid redistributing heavy metals in the body
  • How histamine, inflammation, and even your dreams can signal sleep apnea
  • The role of biofilms in chronic infections, and why balance is better than elimination
  • The often-overlooked relationship between oral health, gut health, and systemic detox

Spencer also shares why not all “super supplements” are helpful during detox, how grounding and voltage play a role in cellular health, and why sometimes the key to healing is doing things in the right order.

If you’ve ever wondered where to start with detox, or why past detoxes may not have worked, this episode will give you a practical roadmap, grounded in both science and experience

Visit Spencer Feldman’s website: remedylink.com for protocols, videos, and products.

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Dr. Carver:

Hello everybody, welcome back to another episode of the Root of the Matter. I am your host, dr Rachel Carver, and today we're continuing our series on detox. We are fortunate to have Spencer Feldman with us today, who is the founder and formulator of RemedyLink. This is a company that specializes in handcrafted detox products, specifically a lot of suppositories, which I think is a very unique, easy way to get some of these remedies into our body. He's very committed to quality, using salt-free extracts made in his state-of-the-art lab in Oregon. So thank you, spencer, and welcome.

Spencer Feldman:

Thanks for having me, Rachaele.

Dr. Carver:

So tell me a little bit about your story. How did you get into being a formulator, a founder?

Spencer Feldman:

So when I was I graduated with a mathematics degree and I didn't want to be an actuary. I was in New York City and I grabbed the Yellow Pages of New York back when you used to have Yellow Pages which is like this thick, and I went from accountant to zookeeper and I couldn't find anything. That nothing jumped out at me and I'm like, oh my god, I'm lost in this world, there's nothing for me here. And then the in. But I had an interest in alternative medicine. So I got a dark field microscope 30 years ago and I started doing av and I went to acupuncture school and I did all these things.

Spencer Feldman:

And then the internet comes along, and 20, what 25? Years ago. And I have access to medical journals translated from all sorts of languages from all over the world. And I'm up till 1, 2 in the morning every night, every morning, just researching anything that kind of comes to mind. And what I found was there, there's a kind of a gap in the human medical situation. Right, we've got lab workers and researchers in white coats focusing on one very small part of the puzzle that in some maybe very obscure, very technical way, and then they publish it. But there's no, there's nobody out there necessarily looking at all of these different pieces and saying, if this is a puzzle, how do all the puzzle pieces fit? And then we've got the things that are patented by the medical staff, by the drug companies, so they can make a profit on it, and that's fine.

Spencer Feldman:

But then that means things that are unpatented or unpatented or off. Patents are not pushed because they can't profit them profit on them. And then we've got things that are people that have conditions that are maybe like an orphan condition, like someone's got gadolidium toxicity right there. Nobody's helping them. It's too small community. And then we've got things where people are injured but no one's looking at it, because no one wants to admit that there's a problem, because then there's liability associated with how they got a girl. And so what I've been trying to do is just to kind of take the view from 30 000 feet and say, okay, what do we need at a species level to try to improve our health? What's being missed for reasons of profit or lack of disclosure or just because the pieces are too abstract to put together. And that's what I've been trying to do for 30 years.

Dr. Carver:

Amen and hallelujah and thank you. We talk about all the time on the podcast, right, there's over 80,000 plus chemical in the environment today. Biologic dentistry is gaining more ground these days because we know dentistry is one of the most toxic professions out there, and I was talking to somebody earlier today, right, 30, 40 years ago, yes, we had amalgams which contained mercury, but we didn't have plastics. We didn't have all of these environmental toxins, right? So a person with a mouth full of amalgams it wasn't as much of an issue as it is today. And now there's so many of us highlighting and creating this awareness. And again, it's not one thing, right, it's the combination of all these chemicals and toxins, and even emotional toxins, right, that fill up our bucket and it's very hard, even those of us who are aware of this. How do we get this stuff out of our bodies? Right, and that is the challenge. You see, all over the place, right, 21-day detox, 10-day that's just not going to cut it. Right, when you are, you can't do a juice cleanse for 10 days and, yeah, maybe you feel better, have a little bit of energy, but you certainly didn't really get these toxins out of your body. And there are so many different kinds of toxins that we need different types of detox products depending on what we're trying to detox.

Dr. Carver:

So your website is amazing. We'll link to that in the show notes. But there you have so many protocols. You have an amazing library of videos, which is great because people they can have the information. But really helping people do this step-by-step is really important. So, just going through your protocols, ones that came to mind that would be relevant for everything I do is the heavy metal. I mean, they're all relevant, right, Because the mouth is connected to the rest of the body. I love that you have a mold one. Mold is probably one of the most insidious infections. It really suppresses the immune system and it's very challenging to get rid of. So to have guidance on that is amazing. Same thing with liver detox, right. I think nobody pays enough attention to the liver, but that's your major detox organ, right? So if that's not working well, it might be challenging to any other detox.

Dr. Carver:

We're going to talk about the sleep apnea detox, which that's awesome. Biofilms that's huge. In dentistry, right. We try to kill all these pathogens, but the pathogens are smart, right. They build a wall around themselves, so we need to know how to break through those films so we can actually attack. This is the problem with so much excess antibiotics, right, All these we're not necessarily killing. We're killing maybe the good stuff, but we can't get to the pathogenic stuff because of the biofilms. You have a dental one infection support again, really great. So tell us like, if somebody I think we all need to detox, right, so where would someone start?

Spencer Feldman:

First I would ask someone was talking to me and saying, from a consultation standpoint, how I would ask them is there something that is specifically bothering you, maybe something you've been working on for the last five, 10 years and haven't had much success with? Or are you just saying, hey, I'm in pretty good shape, but I understand that I could be better and I'd like to do some kind of general detox? So most of the people that come and see me, they're at their wit's end, emotionally, economically, because they've been sick for so long. As a general rule, I would say a very large percentage of the illnesses that we're seeing or that are coming my way, the ones that people can't seem to beat, there are going to be microbiome, toxic metals or mold, and that's a generalization, right. But those seem to be the three things and I think the reason why they're challenging to work on is because number one, we don't see them, right. It's like you don't see metals unless you do a test. Nobody wants to go and necessarily inspect their stool and check their stool pH. And then the mold is something that you know there could be mold damage in a house from a flood 20 years ago. You can't smell it, you can't see it. It's dragging people down.

Spencer Feldman:

And then I would say the fourth thing would be sleep apnea, which doesn't mean that you're choking. It could just mean that you're having a difficulty breathing and your sleep is getting fractured. And while that is as damaging as the other three, I find that it usually comes from one of the. It's a secondary, second order of effect, but it's devastating for people. I like to work on those four things. I like to make sure they're sleeping properly, their microbiome is dialed in, the metals are out, and then the mycotoxins. And when you take mycotoxins out, you also take out chemicals. It's the same process.

Dr. Carver:

Lovely, usana, because on sleep apnea, in dentistry there's all this academies for sleep medicine. It's like becoming a specialty too, but we're so focused still on the anatomy and less so on what are the other things that I've found in my own practice. When you're looking at these 3d x-rays, it's not all anatomical, there's a breathing command, there's a physiologic component too, and I think sometimes in the we're still deer in the headlight, tunnel vision on some of these things. So since we're talking about that, let's maybe it's the fourth thing, but let's I like to know your website you talked about. Is it from inflammation in the tissues, which this is really interesting, right, because our anatomy doesn't really change that much through our life once we become adults, right? And so how come at 20, you're not snoring and have sleep apnea, but at 40, you might?

Spencer Feldman:

Actually, one out of three kids snore now it's true. So sleep apnea and sleep hypopnea. For the people who may not understand what that is, apnea means the breathing stops, you can't breathe, and hypopnea means there's a lot of it's hard to breathe in, it's laboring. If you're running, you're still breathing, but you're not getting as much oxygen if you want to. And unlike all other animals on the planet, we speak, and that means that we have the most unstable airway. The cost of the gift of speech is an unstable airway. The cost of the gift of speech is an unstable airway. So we as a species are more prone to airway disorders Now. So that's built into the cake. And then the next thing is if you follow the works of Price and Pottinger, you know that we are four generations into destroyed soil and processed foods and they showed that's causing deformities in the mouth. But the airway is an extension of the mouth, you could say. And so we're seeing deformities and they're changing goalposts right. Oh, that's a normal airway compared to someone 300 years ago, and you'll see that it's half the size. And then the other thing is we have the inflammatory, infectious side of it. Someone's laying in bed, they've got, they're allergic to dust, mites and there's mold and as they breathe this stuff in their airway swells a little bit and then now they're starting to have difficulty breathing in.

Spencer Feldman:

Now the medical establishment says that it is acceptable to have your breathing stop five times an hour. That's an example of moving goalposts. You shouldn't have your breathing stop at all all night long. You should never choke while you're sleeping. But if you sleep, if you're in bed for eight hours, they're saying okay, eight times five, you can choke 40 times an hour. That's perfectly normal. Okay, that's not normal, it's average, and we can't, we shouldn't misconstrue normal and average. Normal is what is appropriate for the design of the system and average is what's actually happening. So it is average. It's certainly abnormal.

Spencer Feldman:

Right, you can go and get a $500 sleep study or you can go get a $50 to $500 pulse oximeter and if you see your oxygen levels going down below 95, you know, and your heart starts to go up, right, sometimes the heart will go up and then calm down and the heart and the breathing and the oxygen levels don't happen at the same time. But what you're going to see is heart rate going up and oxygen levels going down. That's a sign. But if you don't want to do that, here's something simple. What are your dreams like? Okay, you should have pleasant dreams. If this should be nice, right, wandering, meeting people and going through interesting landscapes.

Spencer Feldman:

But if you have a dream that's stressful, that's the brain saying, interpreting the inability to breathe properly, right? So now the person is struggling to breathe, twice as hard to breathe as normal, and it's as if they're running. So how does that manifest in a dream? It could be frustrating You're trying to do something, breathe, but you're not. So the brain dream manifests as you're trying to make something happen that you can't, or you're running. Now, if you have a dream with violence in it violence to you or to somebody else, or there's fighting, that's apnea. That's when the breathing actually stops, because the brain is saying I'm in a fight or flight mode. And what is that? It doesn't understand. It stopped breathing. So it makes up a story that you're being attacked or you're attacking, right. And then if you're having dreams that you know you can't breathe, you're being held underwater, you're being depressed, that's a giveaway, right? So, and if you don't remember your dream, that's another sign that's fractured dreaming. So, if you have any of these and it's something that you should work on.

Spencer Feldman:

And initially what you can do is we make a product called Tessamet which supports the body in dealing with histamine. When you bring histamine down the inflammation goes down. But long-term you've got to figure out what's going on, that you're having, how that happened and if you tend to fall asleep and if you find that when you drive a car it's really hard to stay awake, that's another sleep apnea indicator. So first thing would be inflammation would be the first one, and probably histamine. You can. If you actually take like a fingernail in an office, you would use a tongue depressor and you give a scratch along the inside of your forearm, not enough to be painful but enough to leave a mark. If it turns bright red, it gets itchy, it swells, that's a histamine response. That's an indication that you've got a lot of histamine. And then you got to look at what's going on your diet. Are you eating fish? Are you eating canned foods? Are you getting histamine liberators like citrus? So there's a lot to it, but that's enough for you guys to I think that's so fascinating.

Dr. Carver:

I love this, the dream aspect of it, because because I'm sure at one point a lot of us have had that feeling of we're trying to run in a dream but you can't run. I haven't had that in a while, but I had mild sleep apnea years ago and I don't think a lot of people put it together with that infantilation piece, which is absolutely why children are all snoring now. Our kids are already being born today with their buckets half full. 200 plus chemicals are studies showing.

Spencer Feldman:

I believe that SIDS sudden infant death syndrome in babies probably has connected to the inflammation of some events that gave them basically sleep apnea and they couldn't get out of it.

Dr. Carver:

Yeah, that makes really good sense. Again, interesting. So yes, while we can make all these devices and do CPAP and stuff like that, we're still not really uncovering the root of it.

Spencer Feldman:

The main thing is you want to look at your environment for probably mold or dust mites. You want to change your diet so you've got less histamine, and you can't sleep on your back. If you have sleep apnea, you can get off your back and there's a device called the night shift that will kind of give a little buzzing every time you lay in your back. Because c-peps are horrific. I don't think anybody likes them and very few people a lot of people can't handle them, so that's a hack that you can use until you can figure out why you actually have the app I like that night shift.

Dr. Carver:

I always say I always end up on my back in the middle of the night and I was like I need to use the little tennis ball or something. So I'm going to look into that night shift. I think I've reduced my inflammation so much. I used to have eczema all over my hands. I got into this whole thing for a good decade and I would get a little bit better, but they would always come back and so I really cleared out a lot of that inflammation and so my sleep is much better now. Everything is much better now that I'm more aware. But so, as a dentist trying to treat these, the sleep apnea, I have a laser and we use homeopathics and all these type of things. But again, that'll dive a little bit deeper. And that histamine is interesting too, because so many people now with the mast cell activation right where the histamine levels are so high now. So people need to be aware and we'll put a link in the show notes some foods that are that that create a lot of histamine.

Spencer Feldman:

You mentioned citrus we have a product called tessamate. If you take that before you go to sleep and then you suddenly find you're sleeping much better, then you should consider looking towards what you're reacting to. One thing you could do is I'm sure you've heard of grounding, right? Okay, so I make a portable grounder. I'm actually using it right now and it comes out of this, so I wear it on my belt and so that way I'm grounded 24-7, or I'm getting the 300 volts I would get if I were barefoot. We make a unit that you can actually sleep with. It's a mat and rather than running a cable out your window and into a post in the ground, it'll actually give you anywhere from 300 to 18,000 volts at low air.

Spencer Feldman:

There's some of the things that you plug into your outlets, but there's a lot of energy, yeah, but then you get dirty energy, energy in those outlets Dirty energy you can get some dirty electricity that way.

Spencer Feldman:

I'm sure there's a filtering mechanism that works. So I don't like having that in my body at night. So what I do is I have a carbon fiber pad and we have a bigger unit than this one and I turn it down to 300 volts and I sleep on it all night long. But you can also turn it up if you want to do some other interesting effects in the body and that's so important.

Dr. Carver:

We know people have heard of grounding, get all the good electrons, but most time we're wearing shoes. We're. How often are we outside these days? I love the idea of something portable. Or if you're an environment with everything's on the computer nowadays, right, and so we're being. The energy in our body is way too positive, right, we need more of those negative. So I love the idea of that. And again, we'll link you to his website at the end so you guys can see all. He has all sorts of really cool products here. So let's go back to again talking about the detox. So microbiome was one of the places where we want to start.

Spencer Feldman:

So when you take a look at the Okay, so have you ever done. Let me fix that. Have you ever canned food?

Dr. Carver:

No.

Spencer Feldman:

Okay. So if you ever canned food, hang on a second. What you want to do is you don't want to get botulism, so you can only can acidic foods or food that you add acid to it, because the bacteria lactic acid bacteria, the good bacteria, the lactobacillus it grows in an acid environment. The toxic stuff, the stuff that gets people sick, grows in a neutral or an alkaline environment. Okay, it's the same thing for the gut. We want your large intestine to be acidic. That way you're growing the right bugs. If you have a neutral or an alkaline large intestine, it's like a bad canning operation. You're growing all the right things. Instead of getting butyric acid and prokaryotic acid and lactic acid and acetic acid, you get carbide cadaverine and putrescine and all sorts of really nasty things that come out.

Dr. Carver:

Now, this is a good point, and I just want to pause for one second, because a year or two ago, there was the trend Everything had to be alkaline. Right? Alkaline water in your whole body needs to be alkaline. We've got to eat all these vegetables to be alkaline, but that's not true, right? There are certain areas of the body the stomach, like the colon that need to be acidic to have the right properties, and so that's something I really want people to understand that there are certain areas that are supposed to be acidic. We do not want to put alkaline water right into our stomach, and that destroys our ability to digest our food. I just wanted to point that out. It's important to know.

Spencer Feldman:

So this all tracks back to Arnold Areth and some of the naturopaths at the turn of the last century, the 1900s, the mucous diet system and all these things. And yes, we tend to eat too much acidic food as a species reading too much meat and too many grains, not enough vegetables. That doesn't mean so they were correct to push us in that direction. But you can go over. You want an acid mantle on your skin which protects your skin. You need acid in your large intestine and in your stomach. You need acids in all sorts of places. So it's not that you want to be acid or alkaline, you want to be the right pH at the right place at the right time. So too much alkalinity is also a problem. Okay, so the way in which you, if you're going to measure your, if you want to know if your microbiome is good, you can spend $500 and get a stool test, but it may not even have the information that's most valuable to you, which is your pH, your stool pH. So here's the most important things, right? You should have a good transit time. That means from when you eat to when it goes into the toilet 24 to 36 hours so you can take a teaspoon of chlorophyll in, as long as you're not copper toxic, and then see how long it takes this tool to turn green. Okay, just because someone goes to the bathroom every day doesn't mean that what came out of them was something they took in the day before. It could be a week old and it's just all coming out, but it's got a long transit. So we don't want that because there's only a certain amount of time. You want to have things in there and you don't. The kind of bugs that will grow in a constipated person with slow transit time will be the wrong kind of bugs. So, number one, you want to get your transit time moving properly. For women, that's mostly walking. For men, a little bit less fiber. If you can find the right types. Some types of fiber will constipate certain types of people. You got to experiment again.

Spencer Feldman:

But the other thing is you shouldn't need toilet paper. No, healthy animal soils itself. We always hear of people rushing before a hurricane to buy all the toilet paper. I'm like, wow, we've got one sick country, because when your microbiome is dialed in, you use toilet paper and then there's nothing there and you're like you just stop using toilet paper because there's never Do you need to walk around with toilet paper with a handkerchief to blow your nose all the time, only if you have an infection in your nose and it's constantly mucus coming out. I don't carry a handkerchief because I don't have a sinus infection. If you don't have a bad gut infection, you don't need toilet paper. That's a sign of a gut infection.

Spencer Feldman:

Okay, the other thing is and here's the easiest one what's your stool pH? So you can get some six to eight pH paper and put a pair of gloves on and press it against them. The stool is very hard, break it open, press it and get some spot in the center where it's a little moist, and then wipe off the stool and look at the color change. Now, turn of the century, before antibiotics, the pH of infants that were breastfed was in the fours, very acidic. And then in rural Africa today people are still eating, kind of a hunter-gatherer diet-ish 5.7. If you check most people they're going to be 6.6 to all the way up to eight. The sicker they are, the higher it'll be, and so what you need to do is you need to bring that stool pH down.

Spencer Feldman:

And what happened is they're the main, one of the most important bacteria in your gut, kind of the keystone that starts. Everything is bifidus. And if you don't get breastfed and or if you take antibiotics because antibiotics wreck bifidus, it's bifidus is extremely susceptible to virtually every antibiotic you take and wipes the bifidus out and those are the lactic acid bacteria and the lactic acid is the first acid that starts acidifying the colon and then it turns into other things. So it's like that's the fountain of health, the fountain of youth, for the colon is the bifidus and when that gets wiped out, so we need to support that and you don't need to buy bifidus because it's already there, it's just not being supported.

Dr. Carver:

Can I ask? Sorry to interrupt, but I was wondering. I have a question. So what about? In a lot of the natural products to try to heal the gut we use a lot of kind of harsh things like oregano oil and essential oils. Have you found that those can destroy the bifidus too?

Spencer Feldman:

So depends on which essential oils you do and depends on how much you do, and it depends on which essential oils you do and it depends on how much you do and it depends on how strong the essential oils are. Right, so you can do, and we make a product called Zoibin that has bitters and essential oils in it. So if you were eating a natural diet 2,000 years ago, like an apple 2,000 years ago was bitter. Food was much more bitter 2,000 years ago. And then we got rid of that. We played with the genetics by crossbreeding and made our food sweeter and less bitter.

Spencer Feldman:

The sweets feed the bugs and the bitter is what kills. The bug is your medicine. So we've taken the medicine out and we've fueled up the infections with the way we've designed our food. And then if you're eating something fresh, then there's essential oils in the food, because that's the immune system of the plant. But if you know how many people actually have an herb garden where they go and grab fresh food, and so by the time you get it in the supermarket, the essential oils are all gone. So we have a product called Zoibin which is a mix of edible essential oils and bitters to simulate as if and I have a deal with myself that every time I say the word I have to take some, because it simulates as if you were eating based.

Spencer Feldman:

It simulates as if you're eating 2000 years ago. To answer your question in balance, right, there's a time and place for doing them at the right amount. It's very. There's not a lot of essential oils you can take every day without getting sensitized to them. A lot of them are tetragenic or mutagenic, so you have to know which ones you can do and at what amounts that kind of thing.

Dr. Carver:

I think that's an important caveat because sometimes you think, well, it's natural, so it's fine. But I've seen, I've had some cases where the patients are with functional medicine docs. Everybody's doing the right thing, trying to get rid of the bad, but it seems to go over the mark. It can create another imbalance sometimes. So it's just because something's natural again, we're still.

Spencer Feldman:

Yeah, the cat mushrooms are natural too.

Dr. Carver:

Okay, exactly, alright, anyway, keep continuing on how we get that pH.

Spencer Feldman:

Oh yeah, you take your stool pH and then we have a protocol. We've been working on helping push the stool pH back down to normal or what I consider normal, and the protocol has definitely changed to normal or what I consider normal. And that protocol has definitely changed over the last year. Because I'm still learning, which is what we call the practice of medicine, right, because we don't really know. We're still learning, it's so complex. I checked my stool pH the other day it was 5.8, which means I'm just basically right there in rural Africa, right. So we do have some protocols, but we're also I think I finally got it dialed in now getting a 5.8. So we're going to be releasing some products, probably in about another six to eight weeks. That will be our new and improved microbiome protocol.

Spencer Feldman:

Basically, what you're looking for is there's a lot of probiotics, not probiotics. I don't do a lot of probiotics because you get a stool test and I say, oh, your acromantia mucophilia is very low. I'm like, do you have one? Like, yeah, I'm like, but if you feed it, won't it be 20 billion by tomorrow? So why do you need more of these things? So people are fixated on yeah, on the probiotics, not realizing they're there, they're just suppressed, so the deal is to feed them properly.

Dr. Carver:

And I think you're seeing a little bit of that shift. Right, we're talking about prebiotics and postbiotics. You're keeping up on the newest research. So yeah, I've moved away from.

Spencer Feldman:

It's all about the prebiotics, because the prebiotics feed the probiotics, so the probiotics make the postbiotics. So if you don't get the right prebiotics, then everything else will be temporary. Now we do make a postbiotic product for people while they're building their microbiome, and so we and there are, and I do take probiotics. I'll actually take juice that I make from my orchard and I'll take carrot juice and I'll ferment some lactobacillus and all sorts of fun things to drink it. But that's just kind of like for fun.

Spencer Feldman:

The idea is really it's the prebiotics and the thing is when you go to a store to buy them, they're just filling you full of fructooligosaccharides and they're getting the cheapest one that they can get in bulk and saying hey, hooray. But what I did is I said, OK, if I'm a hunter gatherer and I'm eating wild honey and mushrooms and insects and shellfish and all these things and connective tissue, what would my prebiotic diet look like? So our product called Panaceum is a recreation of the prebiotics you would get as a hunter-gatherer and you can see that I think that way a lot. I think about what did we do before we knew any better?

Dr. Carver:

How do we get?

Spencer Feldman:

back to the garden. So we have the product that does that, and then we have another one coming out that recreates what would happen if you were breastfed properly, because a lot of people aren't. And so between the two of those and then there's a look. Sometimes you need to go after some of the bugs, so the bugs that like to be in an alkaline environment that's, some parasites and candida and some clostridium and things like this they will actually make the gut more alkaline. They're not just hanging around waiting for it to be alkaline, they're participating in creating the environment that serves them and kills everything else. So sometimes we have to go in there and throw a monkey wrench in their metabolic biochemistry so they can't make out. They can't basically, so they can't make ammonia, which is what they're doing.

Dr. Carver:

Yeah, and that's a tricky thing, right? Sometimes with the pH paper we see this in the mouth. Sometimes I was when I started using it. Like I know, there were two patients that really made me scratch my head at first when their mouth was full of decay, right, and I took a pH and it was like eight and I thought how can that be? But there were so much bacteria, they were producing so much ammonia that it was masking the true acidic thing, so that again there are some nuances right to everything.

Spencer Feldman:

Yeah, it's good that you caught that. I call that a false or ghost pH reading. The people are hyper acidic, but it's being masked by ammonia. Well done.

Dr. Carver:

Yeah, it's very interesting. So the basic and I think probably 100% of us or 99% of us have some kind of disruption on our just because of the world we live in. So what I'm hearing or deducing is that really, starting at that mycobiome, that's where we need to start before we jump into. As a dentist I'm like I'm sure I have mercury. It never shows up on any test, right, because it's in my brain tissue, it's in my bones, it's not just floating around there. But if I get my microbiome really dialed in, which maybe I be able to determine for my stool, would that be like the signal that okay, now I can move on to trying to release that mercury?

Spencer Feldman:

I don't do it that way. I like to give everybody all of it. However, I do stagger them. So I would pick one first because I want to know how you respond to something right? So if I were to say, go after metals and the person has no reaction to it, great, now let's add in chemicals. Great, now let's add in mycotoxins. And all of a sudden they're just rocks. Okay, mycotoxins, right Now the FDA makes you put on every product you have, saying this is not will that treat anything. But they also make you say and it is not to diagnose why? Because a good protocol is diagnostic, right, if you give somebody something that does, something that gives you information. So I want to get someone on as many protocols as I can that are not mutually incompatible. But I want to do it staggered so I don't lose the data I'm getting each time I add one in.

Dr. Carver:

Oh yeah, so that's really interesting. So, depending on how much somebody can handle at once, I like that. That's good, because some of them oh my gosh, I'm going to have to be on this protocol for six months and then this one, it would take forever.

Spencer Feldman:

That's the reason I'll give them as much help as you can.

Dr. Carver:

Yeah, yeah. So tell me, so we can test the stool. Is there a value in testing the urine pH?

Spencer Feldman:

Sure, what you want is stool pH. I think 5.7, but anything under 6.6 is acceptable, but the lower the better. There's a rule I want saliva pH at 6.8 for every 0.1 drop. That's a massive increase in metabolic disorders and you'll see lots of people walking around with saliva pH at 6.4. And what you find is you're going to see obesity and high blood pressure and glycemic index control problems and you're going to see all sorts of circulatory disturbances. When that starts happening, the metabolic syndromes. And for the urine pH it's going to depend on what time of day you get it, but a lot of that's going to be driven by your diet right. So having your diet proper is going to be pretty important.

Dr. Carver:

The thing that diet is so confusing for so many of us, right? Because some people thrive on a raw diet, some people thrive on carnivore. There's so many different iterations.

Spencer Feldman:

Very few people thrive on raw for very long. They'll feel great in the beginning. A raw diet is a very clean diet, but it's also a very exhaustive diet. Right, we have outsourced to fire our digestion. Now consider how much time a gorilla has to spend eating. Right? But what happens is fire allowed us to have a smaller digestive tract and a smaller mouth because it made food so much more assimilable. It also killed certain infections. Why can a vulture eat roadkill and carrion? It's got a stomach pH of two or something, right. Why can dogs lick water out of a puddle and not get sick? It's got a very acidic stomach. We don't have that. We don't have super acidic stomachs, so we can get sick. And because we've been eating cooked food for so long, if you suddenly jump to 100% raw, that's a change that happened over 10,000 years. You can't necessarily reverse it in one lifetime without some consequence. Raw food's great. I did it for a while and if you're going to do raw food, please do raw meat, raw fish.

Dr. Carver:

Yeah, and so what I was saying with that? When we have the different diets, would a proper pH in urine determine if you're on the right track with your diet?

Spencer Feldman:

That's one of the things you want to look at. So the diet is very personal, right? If you have a tendency towards building kidney stones, you probably want to stay away from the oxalates. If you have an issue where you can't break down mycotoxins, you probably want to stay away from most grains you could do like. Millet and quinoa are low on the mycotoxin range. You'd actually do better with white rice, even though white rice is devoid of so much nutrition. You take white rice and then you're losing all the B vitamins and using the bran and the oils, yet you're also getting rid of most of the mycotoxins. So the answer is always it depends. If you can do tubers without throwing your blood sugar off, that's great, because then you can peel it and you've peeled off most of the mycotoxins and a lot of the oxalates. Diet's a personal thing. There are general rules, but it depends on what part is weak for someone in particular.

Dr. Carver:

I love that and that's why I ask about the urine, because I know I've gone back and forth trying different diets when my eczema was the worst and I always felt the best when I did a paleo type diet, so no grains, and every time I've done environmental toxin my mycotoxins are like sky high.

Spencer Feldman:

Right, you could probably do millet. The trick for millet is you have to pan, you have to roast it first and then cook it, otherwise it'll taste terrible. A lot of people are moving towards fad diets. The carnivore only jordan peterson and his daughter. They are a carnivore, but what you find with people that are carnivores is, after a certain number of years, often they can't eat. They become become allergic to meat. And then what do they eat Now? They can't eat anything.

Spencer Feldman:

And something interesting if I ever have a chance to talk to George Peterson I think he's a great mind I'd love to help him if I can.

Spencer Feldman:

What I heard is that he got a mold exposure working in a relative's moldy house and I'm like that's not. That's not just that he has a genetic inability to handle mold toxins, like that's most likely why he and his daughter do well avoiding grains, because it's not the grain, it's probably the aflatoxins and all the mycotoxins in the grains Grains are. You know, what happens is we store them in these giant silos, supposedly at 14% humidity, but there's always leaks and they could be in a silo for up to two years and so we end up eating all this moldy food which, if you get a UV light and shine it at that dark space, you'll see the blue-purple glow on your grains and your beans and stuff, and then the stuff that's got too much mycotoxin, all of it, for that gets fed to the animals. But, and all of it, for that gets fed to the animals, but then we eat the animals. And we get it that way because then it's magnified, and so guess what?

Dr. Carver:

Meat is the least mycotoxic, and that's the other really good point that I've thought about for years too. We're all allergic to the gluten, we're all gluten sensitive, but in my mind I'm like probably more all the glyphosate and all these toxins that are in the mold, because we've had gluten in our wheat for millennia. So it's more that.

Spencer Feldman:

Now, granted, the kind of gluten we have has changed. Another thing about gluten is it's a kind of simulates MSG a little bit Right. And so people who have MSG sensitivities that's because they can't balance their glutamate and their GABA and that's because they can't and that's a mycotoxin problem. Mycotoxins, in addition to messing around with estrogen and testosterone and hormones and kidney and liver toxic. They make the person unable to detoxify glutamate. So the glutamate problem is really it's a mycotoxin problem.

Spencer Feldman:

So remember a moment ago I'd asked what's the proper meat to eat. I think there's really only two really good meats to eat. One is grass-fed, grass-finished beef, right, even that's going to have mycotoxins, because there's mycotoxins in the hay but it won't be being fed moldy grains, right. And the other is fresh wild fish, because farmed fish is completely loaded with mycotoxins. However, it has to be fresh, otherwise you're going to get histamine growing in the fish. Histamine grows in fish like that. You put a piece of fish in the fridge for four days. You better not eat it. You can have a piece of raw meat in the fridge for four days.

Dr. Carver:

It'll be fine Interesting.

Spencer Feldman:

Very good tidbit. So if you want to know what you can and can't eat, do a 10-day water fast and then add foods in one at a time and your body will tell you.

Dr. Carver:

Fascinating and I've been saying on the podcast for a long time, right, that toxins and infections at that cellular level which is really causing everything. So we want to blame all these different foods? Right, and I got away from food sensitivity testing such a long time ago because I'm like it's not necessarily about that. You can never have that food again. Right, there's a disturbance in the immune system that we need to remedy and then I can eat wheat now and I don't break out in my eczema. I don't eat a lot of it because I think I probably have this genetic issue that I can't. I know I have lots of detox issues genetically, but now I don't freak out every time I accidentally or if I'm out to eat. I don't have to freak out anymore because I've healed my immune system to an extent that I don't get that major reaction.

Spencer Feldman:

I don't remember the name of the naturopath, but he once. There was a famous naturopath years ago who said if you can't get your client to go out to the ball game and have a hot dog and a soda without getting sick, you haven't really fixed them.

Dr. Carver:

I think that's a really good point. I think the health is constantly a journey, right, because we're constantly being exposed to stuff which is why I really wanted to do this series and really talk about detoxification that if you're not doing something on a daily basis, you're accumulating the toxins and at some point, unless you have a really amazing immune system, you are going to have some symptom, whether we label it eczema or Crohn's or cancer or whatever it may be. At the root of that is that disturbance in the immune system, disturbance in the microbiome. So we have to be doing something to detoxify our body on a regular basis if we want to prevent these things. That's my opinion. One other thing I thought was really interesting. So when we're talking about heavy metals, the common way we talk about getting rid of those is chelation. Can you talk to us a little bit about what that is and how heavy metal detox works?

Spencer Feldman:

So metals are problematic for a couple of reasons. One, there are metals you need, right. You need a certain amount of zinc and magnesium and calcium and potassium and sodium. These are all metals. And then there's ones you don't need, like mercury and gadolidium and lead and barium and cadmium, and the problem is they look like the ones you do need right. So cadmium looks like lead, so cadmium looks like zinc and the prostate needs zinc, so the prostate gets full of cadmium, and lead looks like zinc and the prostate needs zinc, so the prostate gets full of cadmium and the lead looks like calcium and the bones need calcium, so the lead goes into the bones and so forth and so on. So they mimic things. Now the second thing is you know what a catalytic converter is in your car?

Dr. Carver:

Not really.

Spencer Feldman:

So a catalyst is something that it itself doesn't change, but it lets other things happen much more quickly. It makes other things change more quickly, it catalyzes them. So a reaction that might happen, one reaction per day might be a million reactions per second in the presence of a catalyst. The catalyst doesn't get used up, it's just it being there is enough for that to happen. So metals are catalysts. That's why we have metals and catalytic converters right.

Spencer Feldman:

So metals have catalytic effects on the body. They cause things to happen in the body that should not happen and at very high rates, and that can be destruction of tissue, that can be oxidation of fats. So they're chemically altering the body at a very fast rate and they don't get used up in the process. It's not okay that one mercury molecule used up in the process. It's not okay that one mercury molecule damaged that neuron and now it's done. No, it just keep doing it.

Spencer Feldman:

So we knew we want to get these metals out of the body. It used to be when they used to always put gold into fillings, and then the german came by and said, hey, let's use mercury, and the german name for mercury is silver. And so the american dentists were like that's crazy. Mercury is a poison. Why would we put mercury into someone? And they started calling them quacks, from quack silver. And the funny thing is now, if you take mercury out of someone's mouth, you're a quack, and they don't even realize where that came from.

Spencer Feldman:

So we've been playing around with metals as a species for a while. Right, You've got alchemists. Even the smartest guy that ever lived, Isaac Newton, probably killed himself with metal toxicity trying to mess around with alchemy. So yes, there are ways you can use metals to do all sorts of interesting things. But a lot of people think silver colloidal is a great idea. Silver is a toxic metal. What are you doing Now? If I had a horrific infection and that was the only way I could stop it, sure I'd take it, but silver is a respiratory inhibitor inside the cell, so I put silver along lead and mercury and all those other ones. I don't want it in my body at all. So how do you get these things out? The metals bond to the human tissue because they look like things. We need toxic metals.

Spencer Feldman:

So you have to have something like the aluminum in the brain. You need to have something that has a stronger affinity for the metal than your own body does, and that's a stronger affinity for the metal than your own body does. And that's a chelator. And for 70 years we've been using EDTA, but that's a 70 plus year old chelator. So there's a lot.

Spencer Feldman:

There are better chelators out there and I found a few of them. And which chelator you use depends on what metal. You've got soft metals like lead and mercury. You've got hard metals like titanium and gadolinium and aluminum, and you don't want to. You have to have the right titanium and gadolinium and aluminum and you don't want to. You have to have the right. You have to match the right chelator to the right metal.

Spencer Feldman:

If you use the wrong chelator for the metal, you end up redistributing it, meaning you grab it but you don't escort it out all the way, and now it moves someplace else and maybe it goes someplace worse. Maybe, maybe the body was able to hide it in a fat cell somewhere. You take it out and then it disassociates and now it's in the brain, and that's much worse. Better to not touch the metals than to take them out poorly. Better yet to take them out correctly. So what is the right way to get metals out?

Spencer Feldman:

There was a lot of research in the 80s, 90s, 2000s, specifically looking at things like how do we deal with nuclear accidents. And there are a couple of really amazing chelators that came out but only were in labs. Nobody made them available, right? So I've made them available and the idea is you say, okay, I've got this set of metals, I need to use one of these types of chelators.

Spencer Feldman:

There's an order in which you do it, and then the thing that most people don't understand about chelation is you have to have alkaline urine. If your urine is acidic, then the chelation is you have to have alkaline urine. If your urine is acidic, then the chelation will break, Meaning you'll get, let's say, you grab some lead and mercury and it makes its way to your kidney and now it's in the it's in the kidney and then it gets towards, gets in the urine and then the acid urine splits the metal off the chelator and the metal gets reabsorbed back in, because the kidney's job is to absorb minerals and it says, oh wow, let's go absorb some of this sodium, let's absorb some of this calcium. It just absorbed a bunch of mercury and lead. So you want to get your urine pH up to 7.5 to 8.0 anytime you're chelating and preferably use the right chelators and a lot of people are using terrible chelators.

Spencer Feldman:

Old chelators are causing People think using alpha lipoic acid is a great idea. Yes, it's a soft metal chelators. People think using alpha lipoic acid is a great idea. Yes, it's a soft metal chelator that will get into the brain, but it will redistribute like mad.

Dr. Carver:

And this is really important. Like you said, we need to be able to grab onto them and take it out of the body, because it's really common to research. That's why you know it's really important, if you're going to have your mercury amalgams removed, that you get it taken care of with somebody who is doing it the right way. And gosh for so many years and so many people are just having their amalgams take down, all of that vapor and everything's just going all over the place. We talk about that all the time, obviously on the podcast that you really need to go somebody who is certified to remove those safely.

Dr. Carver:

Even in our best case scenario, some stuff can escape, even with all our mitigation techniques, so I always use a binder. So I'm excited to dive in a little deeper and find out. I've been using the Silcor's heavy metal environmental toxin binder, but I'd love to dive deeper and learn more.

Spencer Feldman:

Well, you want to stay away from most every chelator that's out there, unfortunately.

Dr. Carver:

Yeah.

Spencer Feldman:

You want something with a strong log stability constant, something that, once it grabs on, is not going to let go very easily. Glutathione, alpha lipoic acid, all of these things yes, they will bond to toxic metals, not very strongly. So if you're going to do a lot of the things that people think are healthy for them are not, if they're metal toxic, they've got to clear the metals first before they should be doing those things.

Dr. Carver:

Yeah, so important. And the other thing is important like you mentioned, titanium right. A lot of people have implants that are titanium based or they have the mercury amalgams right. So you have to be careful. You're trying to chelate, but you got all that in your mouth.

Spencer Feldman:

That could be pulling it into other areas, correct? It's a tough decision. Do you chelate someone that still has mercury fillings in their mouth Optionally? The first step is to make it so there's only one metal in their mouth no-transcript.

Dr. Carver:

The other thing I want to say when we're talking about chelation which I did not know and I thought it was fascinating is that there are certain supplements that can interfere with chelation, and some of the ones that you listed are like. Everybody in longevity and functional health is talking about how all these substances are the best. So the ones on your website you listed were quercetin, curcumin oh my gosh, who doesn't talk about we need curcumin. That's like the end-all, be-all of supplementation to stop inflammation the resveratrol, green tea and licorice and I thought, wow, everybody's promoting those all the time. So maybe you can give us a little information on that.

Spencer Feldman:

So the first thing is we don't want to put in poor chelators. Don't have lemon juice, because citric acid is a poor chelator and we distribute right. A lot of these acids will do that. So try to minimize the acids. That's alpha lipolytic.

Dr. Carver:

There's no lemon juice in hot water. That's also talked about from this thing in the morning. Not only that metal's in you.

Spencer Feldman:

No, it's going to redistribute them. And then the second thing is there's a lot of supplements that will inhibit the body's natural detox pathway. So there's you could say that there's four detox phases. Phase one is called phase one. It's a cytochrome P450, where you unmask or attach a polar group to a toxin. You're putting on a grappling hook, you're prepping it. Phase two is conjugation. That's where something grabs onto the grappling hook and now the toxin is water-soluble, which means it can leave the cell as long as it's fat-soluble. It can't leave the cell because it'll get stuck in the membrane, it'll get stuck on the cytoplasm, it'll get stuck inside the endoplasmic reticulum. It won't leave the cell right, or very slowly. So you have to make it water soluble. And once it's water soluble then, like the P-glycoprotein and the other pumps, the ABC cassette pumps can then pull it out of the cell right. So phase one you're making it reactive. Phase two you're putting in a conjugating agent. Phase three you're pushing it out. So supplements that interfere with those things shouldn't be done, because you're working across purposes. You're mobilizing the toxin but you're shutting down maybe phase three, and it can't leave the cell.

Spencer Feldman:

So take someone who has multiple chemical sensitivities. They're upregulated, phase one, downregulated. Phase two, downregulated, phase three, up two and down two and three. Up one, down two and three. Phase one temporarily makes the toxin more toxic. It's making it more reactive for a split second. Then phase two puts on the conjugate agent. But if phase two is being suppressed by mycotoxins or they've just run out of glucuronic acid and glutathione in their system, then they can't go to phase two. And so now we have this more toxic, more reactive toxin inside the cell. Phase three is being suppressed so it can't get out. So these people are getting more sick through their own system. So you have to be able to manage.

Spencer Feldman:

Typically what you want to do is slightly lower phase one, at least a mycotoxicosis. Lower phase one, raise phase two and phase three. That gets it out. Then you want to make sure that it doesn't deconjugate in the guts, because that's the gut version of reabsorption, like happens with the kidneys. So in the kidneys you want to make sure that the urine is alkaline so it doesn't reabsorb in the kidneys.

Spencer Feldman:

In the gut you want to make sure that the transit time is moving and you want a little bit of a glucuronidase inhibitor so that the enzymes don't split the conjugate agent away. So it gets a little complicated. You want to slightly lower phase one if it's too high, but raise it if it's too low. So you need to manipulate the phase one. And then you need to give somebody the right conjugating agents, which are typically mostly glucuronic acid and glutathione, right, and then you want to make sure phase three is operable. And then you want to make sure they don't have any gallstones or kidney stones or bile sludge that's going to slow the path out while you're making sure that it doesn't split in the urine or split in the gut, and then it goes out.

Dr. Carver:

Okay, so just simple, right. Again, guys, this may seem like really overwhelming, but Spencer's website is amazing. You have so many videos and the protocols are spelled out, so don't freak out too much. But this many videos and the protocols are spelled out, so don't don't freak out too much. But this is.

Dr. Carver:

I love this conversation and it's as much as I know about detox, like this is new to me and again, I think sometimes we over supplement. We've listened and I'm totally guilty of this. I'll listen to a podcast. I'm like, oh yes, I need that one and I need this and I but I may be these things can be fighting each other, whether or not they're natural, right, this is the important point that you're making is that we have to do things in the right order. We have to understand the process of detoxification so we understand that phase one, two and three, so that we're not counteracting what we're trying to do, because that is the problem with so many of us who are talking chronic fatigue. Right, those detox reactions aren't working and when you keep those toxins within the cell, you're destroying all your mitochondria.

Spencer Feldman:

Here's a general idea, right. First off, try not to take more than five supplements at a time, because if you do, you're going to overwhelm your albumin and your albumin is responsible for transporting the toxins out of the nutrients, and so more is not always better. And then the other thing is whatever detox you're taking, it's okay to feel bad for a couple of days, but within three to five days the reaction should start getting less. If the reaction is just as bad, that's not a detox reaction, that's a toxic reaction. That means either the product was not designed properly right it's got alpha lipoic acid when you shouldn't have that, or it's doing something to it's got doing something to the liver that the formulator thought was clever, but they didn't understand the secondary effects that were going to happen with the rest of his ingredients or the product itself is actually toxic. So you get somebody who starts taking, let's say, an impure zeolite, because zeolite comes out of the earth and maybe they get it from a place where there's a bunch of lead in the rocks and they did the acid wash, the zeolite, the company right. And so now you're taking the zeolite and the person's getting more and having more and more brain fog and feeling worse and worse. And the doctor does their urine and goes oh wow, look at all the blood that's coming out of you. No, that looks like you're putting in with a bad product. So again, and then these people eventually stop because they feel like they're a failure that they couldn't handle going to the detox.

Spencer Feldman:

No, it was either a toxic product to begin with, or the product wasn't properly formulated, or it wasn't appropriate for them, or something was wrong with the protocol. It's okay to feel a little bad or very bad. If you feel very bad in the beginning, drop the dosage down. But the point is, when you find a dosage you can handle, it should get less and less difficult. That's the sign that you're doing something good. You should be getting improvements, not getting worse and worse.

Dr. Carver:

And what would you recommend somebody to test for heavy metals? Is there one test that's better than another to determine your body burden?

Spencer Feldman:

A lot of people like to do challenge tests. The problem is they're using the wrong challenge agents, right, they'll use a challenge agent that will only do soft metals, like DMSA, or they'll do a challenge agent that doesn't really do the hard metals, and so they're going to miss things and get a skewed idea of what's in them. I actually like doing hair analysis. Just understand that. Any lab test you get, if it only shows uranium, then that means all the uranium and transuranium elements are being called uranium. So uranium doesn't always mean uranium. It could mean uranium or all sorts of other things in that block in the actinide, leptinide, leptinide synth groupings. Try to get a test that actually parses out gadolidium and uranium and some of these other ones.

Dr. Carver:

That's interesting. You say that because years ago, when I first started doing hair tests, everyone in my family my two children, my husband had outrageous levels of uranium. It was over the end. From that we just turned. We live on like hard rock right on the edge of New York in the mountains, and we found that we had been pumping radon into the basement. So the first four years we lived here because we had put it. We said someday we're going to do like a wood burning furnace, right. So we had a pipe underground and the contractor never plugged it up.

Dr. Carver:

Had I never done that care test, never, ever would have found that radon, and who knows where our health would be today. But that's blocked up, but still, and so in our water we have very heavy water, and even with all the filtration we don't drink that water but still have. So it's interesting that you say that could be some other things in there too. Now, what about, though? In a hair test? Sometimes I see that I'm convinced the person, based on their job or whatever, they may have a lot of heavy metal, but it doesn't necessarily show because maybe it's hidden right. So sometimes the hair test may be not totally accurate because you got to get all the mineral levels working properly, so you actually start removing.

Spencer Feldman:

So would you? If you see a hair test that has no heavy metals or limited heavy metals, but the major minerals are out of whack sodium, magnesium, calcium, potassium, and they're all skewed. That's a very strong indicator that they actually have metals that they can't get rid of.

Dr. Carver:

Yet yeah, so that's what we look at too. Those are the four main minerals that you use to determine your thyroid and adrenals and your metabolic typing there. So that's what I look at. When those are way out of whack, we know definitely that we got to get those more balanced, and then it's interesting, in subsequent tasks you'll see, all of a sudden it seems like you're seeing all these metals now that are able to be released. So you talked a lot about gadolinium and I think most people probably don't know what that is.

Spencer Feldman:

But if you've ever had MRI, right, the contrast agent that they use with MRI some of the older MRI machines that aren't as sensitive. Or if they want to really fine tune some, they get a very good resolution on an image. They'll inject gadolinium and boy. Some people just get their lives destroyed by that stuff.

Dr. Carver:

And you wouldn't know.

Spencer Feldman:

That's not something that's normally tested for, but if you've had multiple MRIs, Well, a lot of the people who get gadolinium poisoning they'll know they're like the day after the injection. They were never the same. It all started right then and it was never the same and they're definitely no, they would never attribute it.

Spencer Feldman:

Oh no, they'll just say that these people are crazy. They'll gaslight because it's they're. They don't believe it and they also the ones who do know are the ones who I've seen it long enough. Unfortunately, not all of them want to take the liability emotional or or financial or legal of having damaged people like that.

Dr. Carver:

I know I could talk to you forever and ever. The last little bit as quickly is talk about the biofilms. Right, in a lot of dentistry we know oral bacteria is implicated in almost every chronic disease there is and, as we mentioned before, taking antibiotics doesn't necessarily always cure the problem so quickly. What is a biofilm and what's the best way to get rid of it?

Spencer Feldman:

We don't necessarily want to get rid of it. A biofilm is a community of viruses, bacteria, sometimes fungi and parasites living in, and if you look at it with a microscope it's like a city. They have waste transport systems and fluid transport systems and communication networks and their own police force. It's a whole community, right. And so when we started doing the understanding of infections, they coats postulates. You take the infected person, fluid from the infected person, you put it into somebody else, another animal, you get that same disease you've caused it. Problem is that works for platonic infections, things that like to free float in the system because you can pour it from one tube to the X right. But for biofilm, for sedentary infections, it's stick on the surface. It gets on the surface of the tube and when you pour it out it doesn't go to the next tube. So modern medicine didn't really pay attention to these chronic infections that grow on surfaces. Every surface of the body has got bacteria in it. There is no sterile part of your body. Your brain's not sterile. No part of you is sterile. People think that the microbiome is just the gut. We have a relationship throughout the entire body. Even mitochondria is a microbiome of its own. It's another organism living inside of us. The whole idea of the germ versus the disease, right, rochambe versus Pasteur. There are some times when Pasteur is right, when you have some platonic infection, cholera or something that gets in and just gets even healthy people sick, right. So Schaub was correct for the chronic stuff that's sitting in someone's body long-term in the biofilm. Now what a biofilm means is that it can go inside. The bugs can go inside and hide from the immune system. The white blood cells try to get in there and they get stuck in the goo and they can't go in Antibiotics. You've got to get 10,000 times more antibiotics if there's a biofilm, which there always is. So what I would say is in any infection there's always 1%-ish of the bugs that are dormant. They're sleeper cells and their job is to say hey, if everybody else dies, I'm not metabolizing, I'm resting, I'll come up for air in a month and repopulate. So you know the idea that you're going to make the body sterile. No, you're not, because there's always things that are going to live in the biofilm. Now can you take things that will bring the biofilm down a notch? Sure, essential oils and bitters will take the, interfere with the biofilm. But to focus solely on the biofilm. I think it's the wrong idea. It's not that there is a biofilm, it's what's living in it. What kind of biofilm do you have? So I want a good biofilm. I want a healthy biofilm, full of things that make my brain work better and are anti-inflammatory. And you do that by manipulating the pH and the redox values. And you do that by feeding it the right prebiotics. And you do that by supporting your body getting the toxins out. And is so.

Spencer Feldman:

For instance, why is it that worms hate like? Why do parasites and worms hate electricity so much? If you put, we make an advice called the electron charger. It's the much more powerful version of a grounding device. And when people put it on their abdomens we had reports. If you put high voltage, low amperage over someone's abdomen, you can get lots of worms out. Why do they? I prefer to get parasites out by asking them to leave.

Spencer Feldman:

Let's say you have a drunk person at your party, and it's one in the morning, and they're still causing problems. You don't wrestle them out the door because things will break. You say hey, bob, you know we're out of alcohol, but O'Malley's down the road here's 20 bucks. Why don't you go grab a beer and then he's like, yeah, and out he goes. So it's the same thing with parasites and a lot of these bugs that are in us. You can suggest that they leave, and one of the ways you can do that is with electricity, because they're looking for a compost pile and if we look like a compost pile, they're going to hang around because that's their job. Their job is to compost. So how do we not look like a compost pile? One of the things is we have enough oxygen. Another thing that happens is you know our pH is correct. Another thing that happens is we have an electric. We have a certain amount of electricity in us. Dead things don't have much electricity because the membranes are all broken.

Dr. Carver:

Exactly why we talk about root canal. This is why root canal or dead teeth. So the electricity is like zero and this is why those bugs we find those bugs associated with dead teeth, why we find these bugs associated with these cavitated areas in the job, due to that low electricity.

Spencer Feldman:

They're attracted to it. It's their job. We'll fight them. They're only doing what they're supposed to be doing as long as they think, as long as there's compost, there's going to be something that like, and so they will gravitate right there and, rather than try to fight them, to be like, all right. So what do I need to do? So there's no food source for them? Oh, then they'll leave or go to sleep. I have a deal with all the bugs in my body. All the bad bugs in my body are welcome to stay, with the following caveat they can have me when I'm dead, wait until I'm dead and then go ahead, but not before. But that means that I have to walk the walk and talk the talk.

Dr. Carver:

I can't say, hey, you're bothering me now if I'm creating the scenario that is telling them that I am fair game. This just really circles back right to everything that I do in the mouth and I'm always saying this is why I love ozone. Same idea with ozone, you're putting electricity, direct electrons, into the system, and so I'm always trying to think of a person can't come in every single day to have ozone shots. Yes, they can buy their own machine, but it's not feasible for everybody. So I love the idea of your little portable grounder, right, and I'm always trying to think of ways. How do we get more energy in the body, right, anytime you have pain, right? We get more energy in the body, right, anytime you have pain, right? That, to me, is the energy is not flowing right, and I think for myself, knowing you know, when I get really tired and worn down, I'm like laying on my PEMF mat, I'm going outside, I'm trying to increase the vibration, increase the frequency in my body, dr Jerry Tenney, this is all he talks about, right? Increase the frequency in my body, dr Jerry Tenney, this is all he talks about, right.

Dr. Carver:

If you keep a certain amount of electricity in your stomach and spleen circuit, you will never get breast or prostate cancer it's about. It's all about this voltage thing, and what you just said is, yes, when we have a low voltage, bugs are going to go there. They like that environment. So when we think about, we got to cut out the cavitation, we got to remove all these things, yes, but how are we going to also restore the energy in that area? Pav, your little device? Are there any other things that you think are good things that help us keep our voltage? Sure?

Spencer Feldman:

you can start taking systemic liposomal enzymes to digest all the diseased and senescent cells that are on their way out, so that all you have in your body are healthy vital cells.

Dr. Carver:

And what's your favorite enzyme for that?

Spencer Feldman:

I like seropeptase and adokinase. We make it as a liposomal because if you take them orally and it's not a liposomal, then the stomach's going to break them down because they are proteins.

Dr. Carver:

I love that and that's one of my approaches to periodontal or gum disease. We use those proteolytic enzymes we use and then oxygen, right. We use oxygen drops. We use prebiotic toothpaste, right All these things that we're trying to rebuild and put back the nutrients in right, so that we rebuild those healthy biofilms.

Dr. Carver:

It's not just about killing, right. It's really how do we create the healthy environment so that the bad ones don't overgrow in the first place? So that's where I think conventional mess industry sometimes we just start managing stuff right. We're not really solving the problem, we're just trying to keep things down, but it's completely the wrong approach. So I think you've highlighted a lot of really great stuff for us and again, I could talk to you for a whole another hour and maybe we'll have to do a part two. But tell us about your website and how people, if they're interested I don't know if you work directly with people or you have practitioners that you refer to if somebody is really interested but wants a little more information or details about how to get started, what would they do?

Spencer Feldman:

So the website is remedylinkcom and there are I don't know 15-20 hours worth of video, much like what we've just been discussing, just in more depth, on very particular topics, for the people that are interested. I'm not currently doing consultations right now because I've got a lot of products that are taking my attention, but if somebody has a question, they can always just send me an email saying hey, I'm working with this and concerned about that, do you have any ideas? And I can connect with people that way.

Dr. Carver:

And again, his website is fabulous. The videos are really good and everything we talked about he has like a separate video for each topic. Thank you so much for everything you're doing and again, there are so many nuances to this, but again we want to do it the right way, so hopefully you can also find a practitioner to help you work through this. Spencer's background is amazing. His products are great, so thank you so much for taking your time today to give us a ton of information. This is something people are going to have to listen to probably three, four times. I know I'm going to re-listen to it as I keep researching, because everything he's saying totally applies to the oral microbiome too and creating overall health.

Spencer Feldman:

So I'm excited to dive in the oral microbiome is just feeding the gut. That's the beginning of the microbiome. We swallow bacteria in our mouth. You can work on your gut all day long. If you're swallowing candida and putrid of bacteria, then it's going to keep getting to the gut.

Dr. Carver:

And that's what I say all the time. The coolest part about my job is this is accessible. It's a lot easier to treat the mouth. And again, why we're doing that podcast because people just think, yeah, I'll brush up flops and use fluoride and I'll be all set. No, it's a lot more complex than that, but, again, super accessible. We can make dramatic improvements in our overall health by keeping our mouths really healthy. So thank you so much. I hope you all enjoyed this episode and we'll have all this good stuff in the show notes and we'll see you on the next episode. Everybody, take care. Huge thanks to you, our amazing listeners, for helping us climb into the top 5% of podcasts in the oral health space With all the love and support. We've been getting many requests for one-on-one consultations, so we made it happen. Are you ready to take your oral health to the next level? Click the link in the show notes to book your personalized consultation and let's kickstart your journey to a healthier, brighter smile, starting today. We'll see you then.