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How Medicine Meets Mindfulness: Dr. Edgar Vanderhorst on Pediatric Care & Whole-Body Wellness
What happens when a neonatologist applies the principles of neuroscience to everyday wellness? In this fascinating conversation with Dr. Edgar Vanderhorst, we explore the profound connections between brain science and self-care that are often overlooked in traditional medical education.
Dr. Vanderhorst shares his remarkable journey from international medical graduate to pediatrician and NICU specialist, revealing how his work with premature infants shaped his holistic understanding of human physiology. "When I have premature babies, all the organs are developed but they are not mature yet," he explains, highlighting how this specialized knowledge transfers to understanding wellness across all ages.
The discussion delves into practical aspects of infant care—from the crucial importance of nasal breathing for facial development to building trust with anxious parents. Dr. Vanderhorst's approach emphasizes making complex medical information accessible: "For me it's to simplify and give it in a way that can resonate and they can understand that information in a better way." This philosophy extends to his recently published book, "Wellness Optimizing Yourself," where he offers implementable tools for busy modern lives.
Perhaps most valuable is the "Back Horse Technique"—a simple breathing method Dr. Vanderhorst developed to maintain calm during high-pressure medical emergencies. This 4-2-6-2 breathing pattern (inhale four seconds, hold two, exhale six, hold two) demonstrates how clinical tools can be adapted for everyday stress management.
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Hello everybody, welcome back to another episode of the Root of the Matter. I am your host, dr Rachel Carver. Today we are privileged to have Dr Edgar Vanderhorst with us. Dr Vanderhorst is a pediatrician and neonatologist. He's currently at the University of Illinois in Chicago at the Children's Hospital, doing a fellowship there. And Dr Vanderhorst has recently just launched his book Wellness Optimizing Yourself, where he blends neuroscience with self-care habits. So I'm very excited for you to tell us a little bit about yourself. What's your book, how, being a pediatrician, how you come to think about wellness overall. So why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself?
Speaker 2:Welcome. Thank you so much for that lovely introduction. Yeah, honestly, for me, I'm from the Dominican Republic.
Speaker 2:When I embarked on my journey to start to study for the United States Medical License Examination, I started to understand the connection between neuroscience and wellness. Why? Because when you have to take step one, it's basic science. You have to dig in the physiology, anatomy on the whole body. With that background the physiology, and then it's really hard because as international medical graduate you had to outstain your score, you had to do medical missions, you had to have little recommendations. So that journey took me to understand something deeper in our body.
Speaker 2:When I started to understand, like when I started to embark on the wellness practice I said this resonated with me because I was understanding, like how one part talk about meditations work in our body, like activating patterns, patterns impacting the resistance, how our nutrition balance ourselves, how exercise, how our brain or mindsets work with that part. And when I started here I did my pediatric residency at New York, mount Sinai, and then I'm currently doing my fellowship of neonatologist with the NICU, with premature babies. I started to understand that as a pediatrician, I'm not only treating kids or premature babies, I'm impacting family. The role that I play is giving information to the family how they can raise the loved one, but at the same time, most of my patients in the NICU they don't talk to me. I need to understand the physiology of the body, how the body works and, in that part, understanding how our body works, because when I have premature babies, all the organs are developed but they are not mature yet, meaning that I need to understand how the organs work, how the system in their body works, and then I need to improve it. I need to make our environment to make them feel well so they can develop.
Speaker 2:So in my field, when I talk to parents, there's a lot of information out there and sometimes I need to make sure that they have the information that they need and they can digest those informations, because at the same time you have a lot of information, it's hard for you to understand which one I need to pick, which one. It would be feasible. But my point is, if you understand what you are doing and how our body works, it's going to be more feasible and easy to you to help and raise your loved one. So for me, that that feeling pediatrician was what made me touch myself.
Speaker 2:To understand my role here is not only training kids. That's why I started to do wellness lectures in my hospital in New York and also here in Chicago, because I want to bring an awareness of hearing the healthcare system. It's not only treating patients. We have a role in this field and the role that we make in this field. It's something that we should be aware and, at the same time, we also need to be conscious about what we talk, what we say and the things that we prescribe to patients and we talk to people.
Speaker 1:I think that's wonderful, and the word doctor literally translates to teacher, and so that really is our role. Not the average person is not going to medical school, right, and doing residency is all these things. They don't necessarily have that background information, but they understand their bodies, they know what it feels like to feel well, and so we I always talk to my patients as being a partner here I'm going to bring my expertise and then again, each person has a unique lifestyle environment. Each person has a unique lifestyle environment, genetics, and so I love what you're saying, that it's looking at the whole family, right, and it's not just about the physiology and how this little nutrient goes onto that receptor and then all these things happen. Right, it's the whole world, like you mentioned. It's mindset, right. There's so many different things.
Speaker 1:What are the stress levels? And obviously having a child in a NICU is super stressful, right. So those parents, they're so worried about that child being well and, as a doctor, if you can provide the background and here are the things that are going to help you, help the child I think that's invaluable. So I really applaud you for getting into this because and it's really interesting your journey, right it wasn't a typical American medical school. Right, you actually had to do so much more and you had to see how the whole body works together and understand that concept. So that's wonderful. Your patients are so lucky to have you and so when you're thinking about as a pediatrician, you're counseling the parents. Are you talking to them about nutrition? Maybe give us a few examples of how you are talking to them about wellness and the best way to raise a child who maybe started off with less than ideal conditions at birth. Yeah, perfect.
Speaker 2:So normally I normally start with the parents when they get the newborn and they're happy in the journey. I always talk to them like I need to build the trust, because in order for patients to listen to the doctor, you have to build that trust and as a pediatrician, if they don't trust me, they won't follow my advice. So I build that trust because they had to see me like a connector, someone that they can really rely on because they really love. This is the loved one that they want the best for them. So I really started to talk about congratulations and I started to talk about oh, tell me what your support system, your different factors that you have at home. Why? Because, honestly, in the first two weeks we have heard about the postpartum bloom it's because women they shut down different hormones. They worked for estrogen to progesterone. Right now it's shut down to prolactin. That stop all the other hormones. They don't sleep why? Because maybe you have to feed every two to three hours. They're deprived of sleep at the same time, and a baby that it's only crying because that's the only way they had to communicate. It's really stressful. So I always say that's okay, that's a new journey you have, but it's the most amazing at the same time. Why? Because when you breastfeed your baby, you have like oxytocin that helps to connect with your baby. Okay, I always tell them, like the poopoo, the stool will change in color and that's why the different microbiome the first one will be black because that's it's sterile, meaning it doesn't have any bacteria. Later on, when you start to get your breastfeed, it will be black because it's sterile, meaning it doesn't have any bacteria. Later on, when you start to get your breast, it will start to change in color. It's going to be like a yellow-green color. Don't get scared, because a lot of parents get scared. Oh, it's changing color. I'd say that's okay, that's normal. And at the same time I told them you have to put some creams on the diaper because even though that you change the diaper very frequently, sometimes the stool can irritate the skin. So that's why I told like you have different creams, desitine and all this stuff, like if you want to sleep, like when baby sleep, mom need to sleep, so partners need help with that part. I'd say what means? Baby only breathe by the nose in the first four months. So if they have nasal congestion, you will hear like different sounds and you're gonna get scared, that's okay.
Speaker 2:I I gave different tools. We had to go such a jackal to clean the boobies that they have in the nose. Sometimes they have different tools that they buy on amazon and they really tell me like doctor, do you think this one's unreliable? I said, well, the brand did not pay me anything, but I can tell you which one is more reasonable, that you can help to take out the nasal congestion. I say when baby feed, you feed like 20 minutes each breast. After that you have to burn the baby wire because when they swallow they also swallow earth and if they don't like, if they don't know how to birth, if you don't birth the baby for about like 10 to 15 minutes, he will speed up or vomit because that air need to go out of the body at the same time.
Speaker 2:So I started to give some tools but at the same time I do, I do like I can say in a way that they trust me, they feel the trust and they feel like, oh, I can rely. Because most of time if you have a pediatrician and you start to tell them like, oh, you cannot do this, you cannot do this, they don't feel that trust and they sometimes they don't want to tell you a few things that they do for the baby, and for me it's detrimental because I want you to, like, feel trust, tell me anything. Can I give this to my baby? Because sometimes they say, oh, let me give it this. I won't tell my doctor because he will tell me no. So for me I'm like no, no, tell me and be awkward with me. So that's the way I start to talk to them. But for me I tell them all this process, like, oh, the school was changing colors, because I understand the microbiome.
Speaker 2:When I say, oh, you need to sleep, because I understand the mental health of the mom, they need to be helping in order to take care of the loved one. You know I always say, oh, if you have anyone that can help you at the same time, because this journey is amazing, but at the same time I know it's hard. Also, at the same time, when the baby goes to sleep, you want the baby to sleep next to you Because we, as a pediatrician, we want to decrease student infant death syndrome. Just because sometimes when babies sleep on the stomach, I can say they turn around and they close their nose and student infant death syndrome happens. There is some research, because a lot of parents say I want to sleep with my baby, okay, and that's okay. There is some research.
Speaker 2:You can do it as long as you're not really tired that you can roll over the baby. You know you can do it. There's only things that you have to be aware of, that and those. I'm really honest with all the parents and I'm telling all the things that I know and why we do all these things and they gather and they understand the way that I said. But for me I start with that part to understand a little bit about the different factors and environment that they have at home, the support system and how the mom feels at this point, because I cannot start. Okay, now you need to meditate, now you need to do exercise.
Speaker 2:I go slowly and then, because they had to see me, we normally say three to five days after the delivery. Then I need to see a one month, two months, four months and six months. Because we need to measure at the very beginning weight. We need to measure the mouth. Mouth means how the baby is developing motor skill, language cue. That's for us it's me understanding how the baby's doing and at those visits I start to dig in oh, tell me, how did your sleep routine?
Speaker 2:Because your baby will have a sleep routine at around two months. And then they jump around at four months and they take it out and then say I don't sleep overnight. I say yeah, that's regression, because they start to develop few things. The sleep pattern will be disrupted now, this time, but that's okay, you can do it. And then when maybe they hit the corner, like I can say around five, seven I always say as a parent, you're the role model.
Speaker 2:They copy everything and they taught everything that you said. So at that point I started to say tell me what you like to read. Like if you read to a baby at two years old, three years old, the more you read him, the more words he learns, the better he's going to speak. Those kind of things start to integrate in my conversation in a different aspect, in different visits. So that's how I assess the wellness and I assess the different factors that can influence how this baby is going to grow and how this baby will develop. At the same time I give advice for parents because sometimes they are honest when they say this is a hard journey. Doctor, I always listen, I'm being empathetic and I'm telling them you're doing the best, because I can see the result.
Speaker 1:All right. Well, you talked about a lot. I want to kind of go back and talk about a few things. So you mentioned that babies initially are only breathing through their nose, and so this is one of the what I see as one of the main benefits of breastfeeding. Yes, we get the breast milk and all that, but it's also training the child.
Speaker 1:We know for proper growth and development of the entire face and brain and oral cavity, we need to have good nasal breathing. So when you're breastfeeding, obviously the baby cannot breathe through their mouth right. It also helps the proper tongue formation to get onto the palate and it's the tongue that actually makes sure that the palate is wide enough and grows forward enough so that the teeth aren't crowded, because today almost every child has crowded teeth, the jaws are deficient, and so that's one of my big reasons why I try to push breastfeeding. Again, not everyone can do it and that's totally fine. There's no judgment here. But from a dental perspective, breastfeeding is is really beneficial for for many reasons, and there are better bottles out there, better nipples, nothing's the same but that, that nasal breathing. Maybe you can expound on that a little bit about what is the benefit of of nasal breathing for brain development or just overall health? Do you, can you talk a little bit about that?
Speaker 2:yeah, okay, every part of our body, like when you have a newborn, but they, the physiology, the nervous system does, they have different reflets. If you put everything in the mouth of the baby, they're gonna suck because that's a reflet. When they do nasal breathing, it's because that's the only way that the baby will get like air and will have the gas exchange. Ok, because they are at this point. They need to, as you say, develop muscle, like the tongue, some muscle. So that's why, with the suck reflux, they need to feed themselves and at the same time they need to develop the oral cavity. They need to get stimulations, because that's the body needs now for the brain to develop. The brain needs oxygen. Okay, because they need to create atp. Atp it's adenosine trisphosphate, it's the energy that's the body use. Okay, um, the body, the brain, to seep like. They need glucose in order to convert that glucose to ATP-braining oxygen. When you do nasal breathing, it's the part of the facility for the cavity here, because we have the sinus. Not all the sinus are formed right away. They start to develop later on. The first one that it's developed, we'd say it's the maxillary, then the frontal. Later on we'd say it's the maxillary, then the frontal later on. But it's because that part, when those really are, for the first four months they are nasal breathing. They start to develop. So that's how the body should work.
Speaker 2:And later on in life you hear people that say, oh, I breathe by the mouth, and also your facial structure change when you're a mouth breather. It's because you have changed how it's supposed to be, how your body is supposed to develop in certain things. So when we say, oh, baby, it's only nasal breathing. That's how the body works, how they need, in order to grow, different aspects, different features and structures of our body in order to be raw. That's the thing that we have in correlations. But there is also different replates that baby have. Baby have a replate, like when you grab him and the hamster, they grab it. So they have different cues that they start to. We say, wait it out after the baby start to develop mouse, as we call it in pediatricians. Or this way reach the mouse on the two months. Because we call it in pediatricians, you know. Or if they reach the mouse on the two months, because we understand how it needs to work and it's work better for brain development.
Speaker 1:So you also mentioned the sudden infant death syndrome controversy and talk about how well maybe that's related to having too many vaccines or this and that as your specialty. Have you seen any correlation with nutrition or anything that also maybe predisposed the baby to it versus another?
Speaker 2:The only risk factors that we find out. It was in 1994 that they started a campaign, ABC for children with infant syndrome. It was to change the position of baby sleep. When we talk about vaccines and nutrition, they haven't had any correlations. Why? Because vaccines we have developed new vaccines. It's because to prevent some disease that in the past have high prevalence of mortality and now we are decreasing, making sure that kids can grow better and at the same time we have more kids that are surviving and with nutrition, at that part, formula feeds versus breastfeed, there is no correlation. It's more about, like environmental as in how, the mental health of the parents.
Speaker 1:And have you seen any correlation with? It's interesting. In my work, I seemed, a long time ago it was like these children who were coming down with autism. It was interesting. I had one woman tell me that while she was pregnant she had had five rounds of antibiotics and then the child has autism. Now I think autism is very complex and I don't think there's one thing and again, this is not a blame game, but we're all.
Speaker 1:We're having babies a little bit later where there's more time for us to email. We have 80,000 plus chemicals in our environment today, right, there's studies showing babies are being born with 200 plus chemicals in their body already, right? So it's like all these confounding factors. But I'm just wondering if you've done any study or or come across studies that talk about maternal nutrition during pregnancy and then what happens to the baby. Before we got on here, we talked a little bit about the microbiome, right? So this woman, having had five rounds of antibiotics while pregnant, not only decimated her microbiome, the babies too. And we know the microbiome is so vital for the immune system and there is a lot of talk about autism, has a lot to do with toxicity and and gut issues. So I didn't know in your studies if you came across or have any experience with any of that?
Speaker 2:yeah, those are interesting questions. Honestly, when we talk about, like, microbiome in the newborn, I always say the first one is going to be black meconium, it's because it's a sterile uh, the baby is in amniotic fluids that it's had to be sterile, there is no bacteria inside. But in terms of the nutritional demand, as when we talk about like when we talk about antibiotics, yeah, we understand that antibiotics kill some microbiomes in the intestine and microbiomes help us to help. Which type of nutrition we're going to absorb. Also, that will be a trauma to the baby. In fact, we don't have any specific study that says, oh, this type of nutrition will help and will prevent to develop any complications later on for these babies.
Speaker 2:When we talk about autism spectrum disorder, adhd, those disorders, honestly, as a pediatrician, we don't have the root cause of those disorders. We have defense, hypothesis and theory. For me I follow, there's one doctor, dr Malillo, in New York. He talked about ADHD, autism spectrum disorder. It's like a dysfunction between the connection between the right hemisphere with the left hemisphere of the brain. So it's like this organization. He called it, yeah, dysfunction, disconnected syndrome, because it's when most of these disorders we identify as a pattern, meaning that it's when those kids start to have the same pattern and when we recognize those patterns. That's when we do the diagnosis. We also have other genetic disorders that can predispose to those disorders at the same time. So for us it's mainly like nutrition can have an impact on how certain kids will develop or not, like how the microbiome that they have can have a real impact.
Speaker 2:But for now we don't have any specific data on that part. We understand that the nutrition that the baby gets it's meaningful growth at that part. We understand which vitamin is essential, that they need. Sapo foli acid is really essential in the first trimester to do the brain development. When I call lithium neonatologist, we talk about the prenatology part. It's like when the baby, it's like the fetus, grow inside of the mom and how that it's correlation with the mom and the fetus at the same time. What happened the first trimester, second trimester and third trimester? What they need, the mom needs to do. Why we gave iron, why we gave, like foli acids, all these vitamins? Because we try to understand the correlation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think there's any consensus. I think any of those, any chronic disease right whether it's autism or diabetes or arthritis there's always multifactorial, because you have to consider the person's diet, their genetics, their lifestyle. I don't ever think you're going to say it's one thing right, and I think that's really important. As a doctor, whenever I've had associates, I'm always training them. We're not treating teeth, we are treating people right, because you can look at a tooth and you could say, well, it needs this, this, this and this right, and every person maybe it's something different, because you have to consider that the person, their circumstances, what they're comfortable with their body and all that. I'm not trying to put you on the spot or anything, just curious. There's all these things, especially if you're in the more integrative world. We like to push back a little bit on kind of conventional medicine and say, hey, well, what about this? What about these things? Because I think that's important for discourse. I don't think we ever get any change or progress if we don't question the status quo.
Speaker 1:And I think right now in medicine people are frustrated because they feel like the insurance system is a mess. Right, we can't, especially where we are, we can't take months or years to try to see a doctor. Where we are, you can't even get an internist. It's access to care. It's not just for lower socioeconomic classes, for all of us. I think some people are frustrated. They don't want to go into medicine anymore. Some people are getting burnt out so their medical careers are shorter than they once was. We're not the old town doctor anymore that would do house calls, because medicine has become very corporate as well. That's why we want to do this kind of podcast, create the awareness about all the different things out here, giving us hope that a young doctor like yourself really understands.
Speaker 1:I had a patient yesterday who said she saw that I had a naturopath degree. She said oh well, are you taking new patients? I said, well, I'm not. I'm a naturopathic dentist. I'm not. I'm not an MD, I can't be your primary care doctor. Because she said we had a great young doctor and she was wonderful and she really listened and she was interested and she talked about all these different alternatives. She said, but she left. I know it's very. We live in a kind of a rural area. It's hard to keep people on, but it gives me hope that this younger generation is is seeing that we need to do this wellness care right. We need to look at the whole body. So maybe tell us a little bit about your book. What does your book focus on and how does it combine the neuroscience and self-care?
Speaker 2:Honestly, I really like your question and all the things that you've said is really resonate with me. Because, first of all, if we are the part that we had to start the curiosity to ask questions, to start doing the research, because if we don't start to ask the questions, how can we go to a bowl as a society? In order to a bowl as a society, we had to start with the curiosity, with the question and, as you told, like in my book, that's what I focus on and because I want to understand and bring awareness that science is not only one thing, it's the whole body, and the whole body includes mind, body, spirit, something that is the year on what we teach in medical school, what we learn in medical school. So when you start to understand that part, there is more about that. You start to have more questions, you want to understand better and right now, now it's deep. That's why I like when you say I had some patients like some patients yesterday that they want to doctors, that they talk about different things. It's because it's hard to find someone that really had those awareness and really had those conscious to understand that there is different type and you feel like vulnerable to open and talk about those topics at the same time because you just want the best, like when I say you only want the best, it's meaning that you just want an answer to help others to be in the best version of themselves. So in my book that's my awareness it is it's first.
Speaker 2:I want to change a new perspective, meaning I don't have the whole truth. There is different truth in the book and we are all storytellers, but with this I can just show you the information that I learned. By sharing information, we can, as a storyteller, we can all gather the information. We can together have different things that can help and different tools that can help us to bring the best version of ourselves. However, this seems amazing. We talk about that, but one thing is to have the tools. The other thing is to implement. In a world that is in constant changing, how can I implement tools that help to bring the best version of myself? Because I need to wake up every day in the morning, I need to work, I need to provide for my family, I need to work. I don't have time to implement tools to talk about those things. However, in my book, after I try to change and make awareness about that, I provide tools, simple tools that I can use in my daily life, because I understand how the world is changing and, at the same time, if we don't change as a society, it's going to take us apart. Okay, so something that we have to think about is in togetherness is our strength.
Speaker 2:Okay, in my book I talk about different aspects. I talk about, like meditations. When we talk about meditation, people understand meditation is just sitting down and close your eyes and you're meditating. No, meditation is a physiology aspect. It's when you decrease your heart rate, your oxygen consumption, because you have to be calm to understand. When you're calm, you know your thoughts, you're the awareness, you're the observer of your life, because in life you make different choices. For you're calm, you know your thoughts away. You're the awareness, you're the observer of your life, because in life you make different choices, but you're not here to make the right choices. You're here to make the choices that it doesn't matter the outcomes. You're going to take care of yourself.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I develop a breath technique that I do it in my like when I'm running a code. When I say, running a code, a pregnancy can be wrong, but I know where the baby can get stuck in the delivery. You know like coming out, you can have shoulder dystocia and I need to do nrp no natal resuscitation program and you I'm older a lot of stress. But at the same time I need to remind myself and be calm as a leader, to tell each nurse or each other doctor what tasks they need to do. And that's I can not only incorporate, like in my field. I can incorporate in my entire life. Everything that I do, the way I respond to stimuli, the way I talk to other people. I'm calm to listen, I'm calm to make the right choices.
Speaker 2:And when I say right choices, it's meaning there is no right or wrong. It's a choice that I want to do based on what I'm thinking and the knowledge that I know at that moment. I call it the back horse technique. You inhale for four seconds, you hold the breath for two seconds, you exhale slowly for six seconds and hold it again for two seconds. You do it for five times and you're going to feel how your heart rate going to decrease. You can do it either on environment, under stress, to calm down yourself and understand that part. You can do every morning laying down in bed with your eye closed, and you can do. When you go at night, when you want to go to sleep, that helps you to increase your heart rate of seeing consumption it. When you go at night, when you want to go to sleep, that helps you to increase your heart rate. Obscene consumption, understand, when you're calm.
Speaker 2:Other things that I talk about in my book it's about mindset. Mindset, we can say it's the attitude that we face every situation in our life. But when I talk about mindset, I need to talk about placebo effect. Placebo effect, it's literally the proof that people can feel following and believing expectations. So when you read a positive quote a day, it helps you to remind the perspective that you want to embody in every situation that happens in your life. Because I'd say, yeah, I give you the tools and the information, but are you going to implement when you're under stress? And that part is the self-talk.
Speaker 2:When I say self-talk, I need to talk about love yourself, self-love. Love is a subjective definition. First you have to define what is love for you, because it's not the same. It's different based on your background, your cultural things. And then, when I talk about self-lovelove, I need to talk about epigenetics. Epigenetics it's meaning all the change that happened, your dna based on your experience. Since you were born till now, no one had the same experience as you. So all this experience changed your dna in a different patterns. So, if you want to be fair, you can never compare yourself with no one, because you're the only one who has your own advantage in this event. But, at the same time, nobody gives you a screen. I don't be yourself. You're learning.
Speaker 2:So this is the topic I talk about, like how to see this body as a machine that helps you to cope with stress. Even the healthy diet, how microbiomes work, even the healthy diet, how all microbiomes work, giving the good sleep. Exercise. Exercise means movement, because something that you don't use is going to be, it's going to atrophy. And then I talk about gratitude and uncertainty. With all these aspects and tools that I give you, you understand one perspective that it's about, like how our body works, how our temple. This is a life experience. You're here to live life and find out who you are, what you want in life.
Speaker 2:But in order to dig in this, you have to have the curiosity to understand that there is more. There is no one thing. There is different part of things that we can learn, and we can learn from each other. So something that helped me to get me through my journey and become a pediatrician probably will help you. But some tools might not help you.
Speaker 2:But that's why we need storytellers, we need people who ask questions, we need people who always have the curiosity, and we also need to be open and be vulnerable to talk with each other. So I think that's my purpose just to share an idea and everyone can bring the best version of themselves and also share that other people can share their idea. And the more information we gather together, we can as I say, together it's our strength we can evolve as a society In a world that is in constant changing, and that's why I like your podcast and I like what we're doing here, because here we're sharing ideas, we're asking the questions, we're doing things that people sometimes they don't do because they just caught up in autopilot in their daily life. But if we don't have those persons who ask the questions, who have the curiosity, who change, change the perspective, where are we gonna end up?
Speaker 1:I had a friend once said I don't know how you can read so much and you're always trying to learn something. She's, I'm done, I don't need to learn anything for the rest of my life. And I thought lots of you know I was just like I can't understand that concept. But but again, the more that you talk about people or the more they listen Some people. When I first started this journey, I went to a chiropractor who did kinesiology and muscle testing and I was very interested in it. But when she started muscle testing me and telling me, oh, this was off and that was off and I needed x, y and z, I wasn't there yet, so I didn't. I disregarded her information. Again I was curious, but it took another maybe four or five years before I was like, oh, I really get it, I see the value here and now I do muscle testing. And then I think back if I had just listened to her back then maybe my eczema wouldn't have got so bad or whatever it was. So that's what I like to think. I think it's sometimes when you're having conversations with people.
Speaker 1:The whole last few years created so much division in the world and I started to get to the point where I have to stop trying to convince people of one thing or another and I have to respect the fact that we are all on different journeys. And so I had to, because it was making me stressed out and I was frustrated, especially being a mom and trying to make my kids do certain things like, oh, that's not really the way to really get anything done and all I'm doing is creating stress for myself, so I'm not helping anyone. So when I came to that realization, I was like, okay, here's what I know and all I can do. Realization, I was like, okay, here's what I know and all I can do is provide that information. And when somebody wants to hear it and when they're ready to hear it, they will. And so that's why I love the podcast. I don't have to tell anybody what to do, just sharing my experience, because when other people have shared their experience with me and it resonated with me, that's how I was able to go down my health journey and how I was able to make strides and do these great things that I've been able to do, and so that took the stress off me too. Like people don't have to agree with me, they just but just.
Speaker 1:I love what you said being open, just being open. And I've had to learn how to do that because, again, we all come from different perspectives so we have to, and this is what I'm trying to teach my kids too is. They're in high school now, so they're like oh, this person's so mean and they're saying this and that. And I said, think about where they're coming from. I don't like that person because they're so mean. I'm like well, where do you think that meanness or that bullying might be coming from, or that bullying might be coming from? If you can have that open-mindedness one, it's not gonna affect you. I was like that stresses you out when that person's being mean to you. But if you can think about that person, maybe they're hurting, and if you can just instead I said you don't have to be their best friend, but if you can understand that where they're coming from has really nothing to do with you, then you'll be less stressed and you can get through your day a little bit easier. Because they're getting so many stresses. And, like you said, that's the mindset right.
Speaker 1:And she, my older daughter, she put on her phone right the personal nice affirmation. So every time she looks at her phone boom, one of those, because she struggles with anxiety and she struggles with confidence. So when she I love that. I never told her to do it. She just did it one day and I was like, oh, this is amazing, right, because the more you know you harp on somebody, right, the less especially in children, right, the less they want to do it.
Speaker 1:But she found that for herself because I've been telling her for a long time, but until, and one time she said to me she was so brilliant, so she was maybe 10 or 11 years old and I was trying to tell her about you got to eat better and you got to do this and that just harping on her. And she said you know what, mom, I'm just not ready. And I was like whoa, I was like that's very profound. And I was like, okay, I was like because she sometimes has skin issues, and I said, well, where do skin issues come from? And she said to me the gut. And I said okay, I said so, you do know, but she was not ready to make all those changes.
Speaker 1:And now that she's a few years older, she she sent me a text the other day. She said these are the foods I need to get eat. So can you buy this at the grocery store so I can finally get my clear skin? And I was like, all right, so that my point is getting this information out there, right, and these little snippets, over time they say what people have to hear, something like seven times right before it kind of sinks in. So that's the deal, right, we just provide the support and the information.
Speaker 1:And when people are ready and they want to hear, and they will, and so I think that's the value in being a doctor is is supporting your patient where they're at.
Speaker 1:You're supplying the expert, the medical expertise, but you're also supporting them in their own journey. And it's very hard, especially as a dentist, right, nobody wants to go to the dentist, right, Everybody. So it's something that you have patients who are angry men, and it can be. That's why dentistry can be really stressful, right, because you already have energy coming at you and so many times people say it's not you. And, of course, if you're a more sensitive, empathetic patient, it can be challenging, right, to be in a medical profession where people are in pain and this and that, and you have to set back and say it's not about me, I didn't cause the cavity. I didn't cause this problem. I'm just here to help and when you frame that way you can be a better doctor and a better advocate for that person. But sometimes it can be challenging and it takes many years to get to that point, but again, the more that we show that support, like you said, trust is absolutely, absolutely vital and we've lost a little bit of that trust, especially over the last few years.
Speaker 2:So recultivating that, that trust and that support, is absolutely vital in the work that we do and something that I really like about the story that you told me about your daughter one thing sometimes we need external things to remind us of the perspective. When she have on the screen the positive things, the quote that help us because sometimes we understand the tools, things, the quote that help us Because sometimes we understand the tools, we have the informations, but in order to implement, we need something that remind us on external things. So when we see something externally, it's remind us the things and other things that I really resonate is as a doctor. For me it's not only to have the knowledge. It's in a way that I need to understand that knowledge, that I can simplify and communicate that knowledge in a way that I need to understand that knowledge, that I can simplify and communicate that knowledge in a way that people can digest and understand that. Because for me it's not bombarding you with a lot of information that, oh, yeah, he's a doctor, he understand those things, but I don't understand. I don't know why he say I just I just know that he say those things and he understand the body.
Speaker 2:So my way is yeah, I'm a doctor, I understand those terminology, they don't have to know all this term, but for me it's to simplify and give it in a way that it can resonate and they can understand that information in a better way, that they can implement that part, because sometimes that barrier that we can have as a doctor and patients is that the doctor told me one thing and he's right, but I don't understand quite the thing that he's telling me. I need to understand a different way. Why? Because I don't know all those medical jargons and sometimes we have the misconception it's my mistake. We throw out the medical jargons that we know because we think, oh, yeah, they will understand. No, let's simplify the things that we say. Let's simplify the information, understand that information in a deeper way, that it's going to be easy and accessible for others to understand and communicate.
Speaker 2:Well, that part. So I think that's something that I'm working on it too, because as a doctor, sometimes we try like yeah, yeah, I put in that easy way the information, but sometimes we throw our medical jargons without realizing things because we got used to it. So that thing that I want to change, like also in my book, I talk about medical things but I put it in a way that people can understand it. It's easy to digest. You put it in a simple way, simple format, and I think that's something that we try, because that's also it's how to build trust. Because how can you build trust in someone that you don't understand what he's saying, even though that you have all the recognitions, you know that he is smart, but you don't understand him? But that's why, for me, it's something that the trust that you build also goes with the communication that you have. Develop those qualities, as you say be empathetic, be vulnerable, but at the same time, have effective communication with the patient, have effective communication with someone else that you're talking to.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Communication is the cornerstone to any relationship, and especially with the doctor patient, so very, very vital. Well, we're about wrapping up time here, edgar. Is there anything else you would like to leave us with? And tell us again the title of your book and how we can get a copy?
Speaker 2:of it? Yeah, for me I would like. You can find the book on Amazon. The title of my book is wellness optimizing yourself. You can see the hardcover paperback audio book we have. I have the ebook on amazon. You can get it also. You can find me in different social media on instagram, edgar reno's, vanderbos, dr vanderbos, and also I'm in le Lincoln. One thing that I really like to say there is one of my favorite quotes. It's by Carl Jung that say the world will ask you who you are, and if you don't know who you are, the world will tell you. So be curious, find yourself, understand there are deeper informations. Have the curiosity to change your perspective and know there is more than what you think there are.
Speaker 1:Fantastic. Well, thank you for this conversation and coming early morning to share with everyone here. So I wish you the best and I'm excited again to see a young doctor who really understands the full body care. So again, I wish you the best of luck. Thank you so much for sharing your expertise with us. Thank you everybody for listening. I hope you have a wonderful day. Hello, I'm Dr Rachel Carver, a board-certified naturopathic biologic dentist and a certified health coach. Did you know that over 80% of the US population has some form of gum disease? Many of us don't even know that we have this source of chronic infection and inflammation in our mouth that's been linked to serious consequences like heart disease, diabetes, stroke, dementia, colon cancer, kidney disease, even pregnancy complications. Would you like to learn how to reverse and prevent these chronic debilitating conditions without spending a lot of time and money at the dentist? Join me for my six-week course where I will teach you the root cause of disease. You'll learn how to be your own best doctor. Are you ready to get started? Let's go.