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The Root of The Matter
Healing Beyond Medicine: Uncovering the Autonomic Connection and Energetic Therapies with Dr. Christine Schaffner
What if you could become your own best doctor? Discover groundbreaking insights from Dr. Christine Schaffner, a leader in holistic health who transformed her career from conventional medicine to naturopathic healing. In this captivating episode, Dr. Schaffner shares her profound journey and highlights the often-overlooked oral systemic connection, emphasizing the importance of dental histories in understanding the root causes of diseases. Together, we explore how the body's autonomic nervous system and fascia play crucial roles in self-regulation and healing.
We dive into the fascinating world of neurotherapy, focusing on the impact of scar tissue and segmental patterns on systemic health. Dr. Schaffner unravels the concept of "islands of turbulence," where scars create disruptions that affect the autonomic nervous system and fascia. Learn how targeted injections rejuvenate cellular communication and release trauma, offering patients rapid relief in a manner akin to "acupuncture on steroids." We also delve into the mysterious interstitium and its role in fluid movement, shedding light on how neurotherapy can revitalize this newly discovered organ.
The conversation takes an intriguing turn as we examine the energetic aspects of health, particularly the potential toxicity of root canals and the power of energy-based modalities like light and sound therapies.
Dr. Schaffner explains how maintaining high energy levels is vital for overcoming chronic illness, drawing inspiration from Dr. Tennant's "Healing is Voltage." As we conclude, we reflect on the transformative potential of sound and light therapies and the importance of collaboration in holistic healthcare. Don't miss out on exploring more of Dr. Christine's groundbreaking work through her podcast and website.
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Welcome everybody to another episode of the Root of the Matter. I am your host, Dr Rachel Carver, and today I am over the moon with one of people who I consider to be one of my mentors, and when I'm looking to learn something new, I'm always on her podcast, the Spectrum of Health, Dr Christine Chaffner. Thank you so much for being here. She's an incredibly busy lady, so this is a big honor for all of us to have her with us today.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Rachel. It's an honor to be here and I just love to see everything that you've done and how you've expanded your vision for your really your vocation, and it's just been awesome to see you grow as well.
Speaker 1:I think I first knew of you back in 2020 when I started listening to a lot of summits, and I think it was your conversation. You back in 2020 when I started listening to a lot of summits, and I think it was your conversation with Jay Davidson where I found about Cellcor and then we actually got to meet at Cellcor's ECO. So we've been seeing each other. Now we go yearly and even though maybe we only see each other once a year, I just feel like we have a connection. You've helped me with so much in you know not just you know my business, but my life and career and health stuff. She may be younger than me guys, but she's really smart and I consider her a mentor.
Speaker 2:You're reverse aging, because I think we're the same.
Speaker 1:Let's hope so. Let's hope so. But Christina and I also, we share a kind of a love for knowledge and really wanting to create awareness about. We all want our patients to be their own best doctors. We want to partner with our patients and we want to expose them to all these different avenues of health that exist today. We live in one aspect we live in a world that's so toxic and really disease care conventional nutrition but on the upside there's so many I really like the word the upside there's so many really like the word alternative, but there are so many other great optimizing therapies that are out there that are available to us and I had a hard time trying to think about what we were going to talk about, because we could talk for five hours because Dr Christine knows so much.
Speaker 2:I love it. I know that we're going to have fun.
Speaker 1:Let's maybe start with. I know I remember one of the first times I heard you talk you talked about in your naturopathic training. You were actually introduced to the math and you were taught about that, which is rare in conventional and even sometimes naturopathic training. So tell us a little bit about your first kind of introduction to the oral systemic connection and maybe how you incorporate that into maybe a new patient exam or an intake. How does that factor into a diagnosis?
Speaker 2:I had the conflict whether I would do the traditional path that was laid before me by my family and check off all the accolades that we're all striving for a young age, or take a leap of faith to become a naturopathic doctor. And so that journey really led me to Bastyr University where I got my foundational training and I remember at one of the brown bag lunches we had and I really had in my heart that I didn't want to just do the surface kind of medicine. I really wanted to go deep and get people answers to really resolve these issues. Because at the end of the day, I think why you and I are so passionate and we share this, I think shared a value that you don't have your life if you don't have your health. I've seen people from all different bank account levels, all different places in their life and health is the great equalizer. It is something that when you are in pain or you're in a state of disease, it takes you out of your, I think, purpose on some level and puts you into your root and survival. And while that could be part of your healing journey and part of your life purpose, many people unfortunately stay in that state and don't have the answers or the framework or the narrative that they can heal and that their body is wise and intelligent and divine. Whole field of medicine that, I think, is only going to get even more awareness, especially over this next 20 years, that is available to them and I just wanted to plant that seed.
Speaker 2:And then, really, I went to this brown bag lunch and the Dr Louisa Williams, who is one of the mentors of mine. She wrote a beautiful book, radical Medicine, and it had just come out and so she asked us in the brown bag lunch she said what is the first thing you do with a patient and everyone's? Take them off gluten, do all the food allergy testing, so gut focus, which is important. But she said you look in their mouth and you look and you do a thorough dental history because disease starts in the mouth. From her perspective and I really do think that while conventional dentists are lovely people, unfortunately they're trained in a very archaic system and a very disease promoting systems she really created this beautiful body of work and distilled it in radical medicine and I used to carry that book around me. It was big, it was before the Kindle was out and wherever I would go it was just like osmosis. I just knew I wanted to know everything in that book and my study and post-vast year. Really I had other mentors that taught me bioregulatory medicine.
Speaker 2:And again, regulation is something that I think we forget often. Even in naturopathic medicine or functional medicine or many even root cause medicines, we forget to just start from that beginning point and that kind of laying the playing field. No matter how complex an illness is, we still go back to our roots and we trust that the body has this self-regulatory capacity. And regulation, I think, is not only the autonomic nervous system but I believe it's also the fascia, and so they work together and I think there are two sides of a coin of this regulatory tissue and when we get into these disease states there's something that is interfering or blocking or not allowing the self-regulatory capacity to be really liberated in these tissues.
Speaker 2:So when you think about the mouth, I do always I ask my new patients for a gundle history, from basic to complex, depending, but just a basic screening, as would be history or current amalgam fillings, root canals or any teeth extractions where there could be possibly a cavitation. There could be also other questions. If they still have a current permanent retainer, do they have braces? What is their job? What's their teeth grinding? What's their occlusion? Do they have sleep apnea? There's many other complexities, but the screening is those three questions. Hey, do you have amalgams currently or ever have them? Do you have root canals? Or have you had your wisdom teeth extracted or any other teeth extracted that potentially might have healed not healed as properly? So we dive into that and why all of those things are really important.
Speaker 2:As many of your audience knows, of course, each tooth not only is really in touch with the circulatory system that can go systemic even conventional dentists and doctors know that anybody who has an infection in their mouth can affect their heart or systemic. But we don't put it together when we're thinking of a chronic illness, unfortunately still in medicine. And so we know that there's that systemic relationship with circulation. And then I know you educate about the meridian system. So each tooth sits on a meridian which can affect that organ system and be either a cause or a correlation with that system being ill.
Speaker 2:But I also think if you have toxicity or biotoxins or microbes, there are these highways in the body we don't often think about and they can migrate through not only the circulatory system but the lymphatic network that is all throughout the body that also is talking to and communicating with the nervous system. So if you get these microbes or these toxicants in the lymphatics they can migrate into the nerves and some of the nerves actually absorb these lipophilic toxicants that can affect actually nerve function or communication. We also can get these biotoxins or we can get these different toxicant amalgam filling related metals that can be inhaled and they can basically bathe the tonsils. They can bathe the whole bulge or gut-associated lymphatic tissue or even our costal lymphatic tissue and the mucosal lymphatic tissue and the mucosal membranes in our sinuses. And then I've learned through dentists and biological or bioregulatory medicine that some of these toxicants actually, through what we call retrograde axonal transport, can be carried from the nerves that connect to the cranial nerves that connect to the brain and then these are highways into the brain.
Speaker 2:So one of the very common symptoms of mercury toxicity is neurological symptoms. So people can have dementia to insomnia, to anxiety, depression, brain fog or anything in between of how to prevent it, anything in between of how women find them. So I feel like this is old news that still has so much more awareness to share with this population because all of the baby numbers who are getting old right now or are going through the aging process. They have those conventional genital practices that are still unfortunately happening, but less especially with the amount of disease. So that's a long that's a long time.
Speaker 1:It's fabulous, you know. Interesting because there's been a lot of research lately showing how. There was an article I read recently showing how that Porphymonis gingivalis, which is one of those common oral bacteria that's considered a bad guy or red complex that can activate the microglia in the brain, which is the microglia is what produces those plaques which a lot of Alzheimer's meds have been trying to target that. But now we understand that those plaques are actually a protective mechanism for the insults of these bacteria and the bacterial toxins. That's pretty damning and pretty important why we need to take care of the mouth.
Speaker 1:I always say I'm so fortunate to be a dentist because I have such an accessible area to work on. I'm not trying to work on the brain or in the arteries, I shouldn't say easy but compared to all the other specialties in medicine, I have good access to be able to rid the body of toxins and infections. I always in all of my lectures show that the picture of all the nerves and the lymph and how they're all intimately connected right, as you've said, like 20% of our lymphs in our head and neck, right and we're now we just recently what's been about, not even 10 years right, where we learned about the glymphatics and how, if we're not sleeping well, right. So if we have sleep apnea or any issues there, we're not draining the brain for all those toxins that could be there. Do you know? So trigeminal neuralgia is one of those tricky things that people are like we don't know what to do about it. Do you think there's an infectious component, perhaps from the mouth, that causes that?
Speaker 2:Unfortunately, I've seen people go through trigeminal neuralgia, like I'm sure you have, and it's one of the worst pains. They talk about it as like ice pick pain or this really debilitating pain that again takes them out of life. They can't sleep, they can't function, they have to rely on pain medication and there's not a lot of answers. I'm hoping in our lifetime, rachel, in my lifetime, that we can really get closer information to actually figure out what's living in that nerve tissue. However, I do believe through I've seen it actually firsthand. I'm thinking of a patient in particular. When I saw her at first, she had many amalgam fillings and many root canals and through our combined treatment with myself and a great dentist in town, she went through a removal of root canals and removal of her amalgams and through chelation I saw her trigeminal neuralgia go away Again.
Speaker 2:It's not just one thing, but I do believe that if you have amalgams, mercury is probably the first ascender to layer terrain where there can be hosts. It can be a more hospitable host to either Lyme spirochetes or other spirochetes that are often in the mouth, also viruses. So there's a lot of headache viruses that can live in the nerves that get activated when the immune system is not able to keep up with keeping those viruses dormant, so Lyme viruses. I think other infections could be secondary, creating inflammation, but I believe the heavy metals, plus spirochetes and viruses, are probably the biggest offenders.
Speaker 1:And now both of us really are big proponents of the neural therapy, and that's when I'd see the patient. My sister was probably one of the first I saw with the trigeminal neuralgia. She was like it's this tooth? She kept pointing the tooth and I was like it's the virgin tooth. It's never had a filling, like nothing wrong with the tooth. So I was like, oh, I'm just. At that time I was like ozone does everything. It's magic, you know. And so I was like well, let me just give you some ozone up there, the pain down a little bit. Do you think? Talk to us a little bit about what neural therapy is, why it can be helpful in certain situations?
Speaker 2:Neural therapy is one of the most powerful tools in my toolkit that I use. I know many of us gravitate to different therapeutics. There's many paths around, but neural therapy is about over a hundred year old technique that developed in Europe, specifically Germany, and they, these two brothers, actually were finding that when they went to the root cause of a pathology inducing syndrome that if they basically use the anesthetic and created a lessening in pain or inflammation in either that nerve or that tooth or that area of the body, the whole body relaxed and that symptoms would go away. So what developed out of that is this use of procaine. So I know dentists are very familiar with Novocaine or procaine, but we compounded. It's preservative free, so it's going to be a cleaner form than the average dentist use. It's very readily broken down in the body and to basically help healthy metabolites the body can quickly get rid of but has a short half-life, and so I have very sensitive patients and most of my patients I actually knock on what I've seen even my most sensitive patients tolerate neurotherapy. They might only be able to tolerate a little bit in the beginning and then, as we go through the healing journey and they become less sensitive over time we can do more neurotherapy.
Speaker 2:So neurotherapy can be injected into ganglia, it can be injected into segmental patterns or scar tissue. So when we go back to those tissues of regulation, we think about the autonomic nervous system and the fascia. So I'll start with scar tissue, because that's one of the things that levels the playing field when we inject the scars. So scars can be areas of injury from a surgery, from a trauma, from a mole removal, what have you, and the body is so intelligent that it heals that area, but it doesn't heal it in the same way that the original fascial fabric looks. So it's more denser, it's more irregular, it's going to be like a traffic jam in that tissue, locally and systemically, because the whole system works and communicates as a whole integrated system. And so when there is a compartmentalization or stagnation in the tissue, that can affect the whole system.
Speaker 2:And in that scar Louisa Williams says it's an island of turbulence, meaning this traffic jam can be a net for toxicants' trauma through the facial memory and pathogens, as many co-infections or other self-adherence love the connective tissue. That's where it loves to hide, that's where cellular music is more connected to CO. And so when we inject the scar, we're not only injecting a length of the scar but we're also injecting underneath the scar to bring back fluidity, to help restore cellular voltage, to increase circulation, to back very much in the area and to create less stimulation in that tissue. So often what people feel is like a lightening of the symptoms. If there was a good trauma environment they can release that trauma from their tissues and then just get the crinkle and the saran wrap right. There's kind of this area or this crinkle that kind of starts to move over the hole. There's not tension on the rest of the saran wrap. I see other symptoms improve, other pain patterns or other normal symptoms improve.
Speaker 2:And the nerve fibers are communicating in the fossa, so it's happening in the environment, in the flacid, is important for the nerve fibers to send the brain, to send them into the surrounding tissue. So that's one kind of really fun, not sweet one. And when I do a lot of segmental patterns I've been training them more on collections. But I just work where I'm at. I feel like I can do a lot with segmental patterning, with the principles of interstitial as well. Segmental patterning can be in areas around either the brain, sinuses, the lymph, the tonsils, the thyroid, the lung, the liver, the spleen, the small intestine, the kidneys and really anywhere that there is an organ and or a tissue that is in pain and or in pathology. And so what segmental patterning is? We inject in the surface of the skin and we're working with nerve communication. So we're working with the cutaneal nerves, are talking to the deeper nerves that are talking to the capillaries that can increase the flow of blood to an organ. So that is one area of why it works so well.
Speaker 2:I think there's another reason that we'll probably learn more about in our lifetime is that the essentially the, the fluid of the procaine also goes into a newly discovered organ.
Speaker 2:We're talking about two newly discovered organs in the last 10 years, something that's called the interstitium.
Speaker 2:So under the skin, when we learn derm and dermatology and our histology classes, we learn that, okay, we have seven layers of dermis.
Speaker 2:Underneath the seven layers of the skin is the stacks of collagen and then there's fat and other lymphatic tissues and so on.
Speaker 2:However, what we've learned in those stacks of collagen because we're looking at dead tissue, not alive tissue, and that's what we didn't realize, the lymphatic system, until we could visualize the alive brain that in that stacked of collagen, stacks of collagen, they're actually these vacuoles of fluid. And so what happens is that when we go into the skin, before we even get to the blood supply or before those nerves get to the capillaries, we get into those fluid vacuoles that can actually deliver through this whole body-wide network of the interstitium that actually communicates with the limb. I think there is some movement of fluid that gets trapped or stuck in the interstitium when people are sick, and so I think the propane is also not only opening up blood flow to the liver or the kidneys so it can function better and move energy in that organ system, but I think we're also moving the interstitium and alleviating stagnation in the interstitium, and that's why I think people feel good as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree with you. It's one of my favorite things that I ever learned, because the therapy is so profound. It's absolutely amazing how people feel so much better so quickly with, like, very like, really no side effects, no contraindications, like it's just absolutely incredible patients who have been, you know, on steroids and all these things to try to get rid of this pain. And then you get on my head, you know, one CC of some procaine.
Speaker 2:I call it acupuncture and steroids. I just I love acupuncture and I go to it regularly, but especially for the trigeminal nerve. You can do a sinus pattern to help alleviate pain in the trigeminal nerve, where you're doing a bunch of acupuncture points that follow the trigeminal nerve. You can do this phenopalatine ganglion or the odic ganglion or even the tonsils or just the lymphatics or the vagus nerve. I get a lot of results with just the sinus pattern and maybe the tonsils to help alleviate pain in the head.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's great. I was just going to circle back to the tonsils, because that's a big one, you know. We see it is not the most fun injection to get, but it's pretty profound what I have a patient who's been coming to me just for that and she, the poor thing, is going through so much. She's had been labeled with chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia and all those syndromes that we don't really know what's wrong with you and that's having such an effect on her skin, even right, she's breaking out and all these things. She's have that long hauler syndrome type of thing. That's what she claims Like ever since the shot she's just never been seen. And it's amazing how the tonsils are a major area of immune tissue, right, and lymph tissue and, like you said, that's all connected to the whole body and so it's fascinating when you can drain that.
Speaker 1:And the cool thing about neural therapy again, it's not like a steroid, right? We're not trying to stop a body's reaction, we are stimulating the body should do what it's meant to do, right? This is that idea. What we mean by this bioregulatory is we are trying to give the body a hands up and say, hey, remember how to do this. We need a little support because it's being so bogged down by inflammation or infection or toxins, whatever it is, and that's why there are really no side effects and that's why most people can tolerate it, because, again, we're stimulating the body to do what it's supposed to do by basically injecting energy.
Speaker 1:Both you and I are big energy people, big believers in the quantum and how all this interacts, and that it's really important to understand that it's this energy that underlies the biochemistry. Conventional medicine doesn't. It's all about the biochemistry, but what allows that chemistry to work is the energy behind it. And when we are sick and we have pain, I always, when I see pain, I'm thinking why isn't the energy flowing? And so that's basically like you were talking about, with a scar. This is an area where energy is interrupted. Right, there's an earthquake and the road suddenly is broken and now we can't get over the broken pavement right. And so the idea of the procaine is to reconnect, improve that pavement, make it smooth again so that energy can flow back and forth, and make sure that fascia can move and supply all the nutrients that the underlying tissues need. It's amazing.
Speaker 1:I think it works great for TMJ issues. There's often so much inflammation there and I like to sometimes combine it with some homeopathics to help the lymph drain a little bit more. But it seems once you reduce that inflammation the body can heal itself. But if you've got this chronic inflammation the body is just always on high alert and we have problems and it's hard to get better when you're just in that constant state of inflammation. So I'm a big fan of the neural therapy. I really like wish more people would understand it. We teach more about it. I think that will happen.
Speaker 2:I think we will. Yeah, I think it's their time. We have wonderful colleagues, dr Anne Hell and her partner Dr Alana. Yeah, I had Anne on the podcast, so she told me we did one whole podcast solely about neural therapy, but I want to get your perspective because I know you've been doing it for so long. Yeah, I love her, I love it Passing the torch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, we have this great network of people who know all these wonderful things.
Speaker 1:So I just had an endodontist on who was really interesting, because in the biologic world, bioregulator, we see a lot of things where, oh, root canal, they're bad, and her comment is if it's done, we can try to at least bias time of the teeth, and I think it's an important avenue. But most of the time, as we discussed that, most people who are doing these root canals aren't properly trained, they're not using the technology, we're not fully cleaning this out, and that's what leads to residual infection and now most of the nerve is removed so people don't feel anything but like in your situation, that's one of the first things you ask are there root canals? So tell us a little bit about, as a medical, naturopathic doctor, when you're looking at overall health, because she couldn't really answer the question I was asking how do you see this related to overall health? And she was that's not. She doesn't know. As the medical doctor, what are you seeing sometimes? That maybe a poorly done, improperly cleaned root canal how does that affect?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, and I am so glad you're talking about this and ultimately root canals are dead teeth. I'm really open. I know it's becoming more popular to do like a healthy root canal, which I think can buy people time. That's all you know kind of what we're trying to do, Cause it's a lot to consider to remove a tooth, especially depending on where it is, what else is going on in the mouth, who they have locally to do a good job, to extract the tooth and think of a long-term plan, and the pain is real, Like when people are going through a dying tooth. There can be like a really severe pain. Ultimately, I do stand by my knowledge and I'm always happy to be swayed differently as technology gets better that a root canal is a dead tooth and we don't ideally keep dead matter in our mouth because what in traditional? We'll just talk traditional. Then obviously you have this wonderful endodontist who's doing?
Speaker 2:it a different way. Often in a traditional root canal there's a dying tooth. They take out the nerve, they stuff non-biocompatible material often metals and different resins that are not biocompatible and seal off the tooth no ozone, no antimicrobials and they say, ok, we took that dead tooth and we sterilized it in a way that it's going to be fine. And there are many people who have debunked that thought and from my just observation I am just clinically observing people Root canals are a chronic poisoning of the body. So it's basically a chronic poisoning of the toxicity from what's inside the tooth. Again, it's, over time, getting in the circulation, it's getting into the lymph, it's getting into the nerves. We're inhaling it, we're affecting our sinuses and our tonsils, we're affecting our gut. Many chronic SIBO issues or chronic gut issues begin in the mouth, in the sinuses, in the tonsils. So essentially, why what happens to that root canal? Over time, what I learned is that the root canal can basically start producing mercaptans and bioethers. That are biotoxins that take up a lot of our sulfur-containing mechanisms or pathways to essentially detoxify. And when we deplete the body of sulfur we cannot basically remove other toxicants as well. A lot of our detox agents are what we call sulfhydryl-affinitive, binding either metals or these biotoxins to get out of the body. One of the things we do to help mitigate root canals is give the body flooded with MSM.
Speaker 2:Some people say they have a sulfur sensitivity. We have sulfur in every cell of our body and, yes, I think there are people who don't process sulfite or sulfates well, but I don't think we truly have an allergy. That means I think there's a big toxicity component. There's this sulfur depletion in the body, there's the thioethers and the mercaptans and then they found over time that bacteria okay, this is not a serotooth, this is an environment.
Speaker 2:We always think that things are nicely compartmentalized in the body. Here's the nervous system, here's the lymphatic system, here's the circulatory system, here's another tooth. But what's happening in this root canal, the other tooth, if they're having any issues, any gingivitis, any periodontal disease, any oral kind of imbalances of microbes? You look at the oral health all the time. Many of us have just imbalance in our microbes in our teeth and that can over time migrate and again, that doesn't have a healthy living environment to help clear and change that over time. So those microbes can get embedded in that dentin and then there can be like a little thriving community of microbes that the body can't resolve, and then again that can be chronically poisoning lymph nodes, nerves, the gut, the mucosal surfaces of the body. And these are the people who do everything to maintain their health. They do all the lymphatic work, they do every supplement and they don't go far. And that's how we look at these interference fields, right, we look at these things that are interfering with our body's ability to self-regulate.
Speaker 1:Yeah and I have this theory because I'm big in the energy world too that okay, because it's dead right, there's no more blood supply there anymore. That I almost feel like, when we think about frequency, right, everything in life is energy, right, and we are just dense energy that looks like matter, right, but we're really just energy. So I'd say, in that area where there's less blood supply, the frequency of that terrain and it can almost attract those spirochetes and fungus and whatever it is, they can go live there happily because there's no more blood supply, right. So the immune systems can't really see them and deal with it, and so it's almost like they migrate to an area of this low frequency and can sit and create problems. That's why I like things like ozone and neural therapy, because I'm like let's put energy in it. The more energy, the healthier we are.
Speaker 1:A lot of us who are chronically ill. Our overall body energy is very tight because all of us could be sick, but those of us who are able to produce more energy have more energy. Even if we eat a fungus or we have parasites, if our energy level is high enough, our body can regulate itself and remove those toxins. It's when we get so bogged down that our energy, in my opinion, that our energy is so low that we're just in this chronic state of infection, right? So that's why I'm always thinking how do I yes, I can try to give you antimicrobial this and do this and that, but how do I also then get the energy high enough so it doesn't come back right? How do we get you out of that chronic state?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's where Dr Tennant right. He wrote a book Healing is Voltage, and I got to see him before I became a naturopath at UVA. He was at our complementary and alternative medicine class in the School of Nursing. That was run by a naturopathic doctor in like 2002. And he told us about his story of chronic illness. And he was in bed for 13 years because he got viruses in his eyes during the first LASIK surgery surgeries and that went to his brain. And he was in bed for 13 years because he got viruses in his eyes during the first LASIK surgery surgeries and that went to his brain and so he had this kind of myalgic encephalitis that he was bedbound. Again, here's this highly functioning, amazing person bedbound by this illness and he tried everything and he finally put it together that he found the SCANAR equipment that again became the tenant biomodulator in his community, that it was based on charge and I will never forget that conversation that he said. He said that my immune system could not see the charge of the bugs and so the SCANAR reminded.
Speaker 2:Like there's when we talk about frequency. Here we are in the age of Aquarius. Now Pluto's in Aquarius as we speak. So this is going to be a 20 year paradigm shift where we're going to be talking about frequency, electromagnetism, light, sound, vibration, interconnection, that we're around this. We're all interconnected with this field of energy and the more we observe it and participate in it, the more we can co-create with it. And when we think about the quantum piece of our terrain or the quantum terrain, we come from an energy field. Not only do we emanate and generate and have this bidirectional communication from the field, but we come from a field of energy and really where we both contemplate, I know, are these people, are these different pioneers?
Speaker 2:Dispenza says to change matter with matter takes time, but when you change the field you change matter. And so when we can change these high level distortion, the distorted patterns in the fields of our communication, that we can have an easier time changing the biochemistry. So what does that mean? I think distorted patterns in the field could be ancestral trauma. I think they can be just current life trauma. I think it could be anything that blocks us from our higher self or higher knowing. So that could be the toxicity, the pathogens. Life, as you said, is everything, has a signature, frequency and also a basically signature, and vibrations actually create patterns and mediums like water or other mediums, and these vibrations create either patterns that are coherent or distorted, so that top level information of either a coherent pattern or distorted pattern will tell ourselves either to create healthy mitochondria, create healthy energy, create healthy epigenetic translation, or it's going to create distorted or dysregulated patterns that are not promoting our highest potential but are going to be patterns that perpetuate illness in our ancestry or in our lineage.
Speaker 2:It's esoteric to a lot of people, but we're beginning to talk about these things with very tangible science. In my downtime, I read quantum physics papers and I try to educate and do different events around this, because there is so much body of work around this. It's just up to us, I think, as clinicians, to educate and also integrate. Okay, we still live in a 3D body. We definitely have this experience as being human, but how can we expand upon and how can we rewrite all of our stories and our journeys so that we can actually change our epigenetic environment?
Speaker 2:And I think, ultimately, all of our cells are not only possible this is a possibility for all of us but there's also.
Speaker 2:We're all interconnected.
Speaker 2:Whether we believe it or observe it or want to look at that or not.
Speaker 2:There is a part of us and every atom of our cell that is connected to this greater field of energy. So it's just my mind just goes in all these different directions with this and I'm trying to create a narrative and a model for my own knowledge base so that I can bring it to more people in my community, so we can just keep on refining it and finding tools and ultimately it's going to create better results. So that's why we're all motivated to do this. Who wouldn't want to practice where we just see people for a year, rather in chronic illness I have lifelong patients like that are just. These are long-term relationships, not because they don't get better in a certain period of time, but because life is so stressful and if we don't maintain our health with all these tools, we can get knocked down Right. And so, yeah, it's just a, it's a passion of both of ours and I think we're both really in this state of contemplation, but I know in my heart that we're in the midst of creating this new model of medicine.
Speaker 1:I totally agree and we've talked to a bunch of times on the podcast too about this, the emotional, those kinds of traumas. And I see, the longer I practice now I have now patients are calling because I'm out there and about and patients coming from far away will do Zoom consults and they'll tell me the story. They've been to a million people, right, you have the same patients and the story is so long and they've done everything right In quotes. And my first question is always what are the, what are the stresses in your life? What is the emotional component?
Speaker 1:Because to me, you can do all the right things, right, but if you're in that discoherence or whatever, you can put all the vitamins and supplements and all the exercise and stuff in there, but until we get that coherence we can't get past the finish line. Basically, both of us are fans of the, the nest health, but until we get that coherence we can't get past the finish line. Basically, both of us are fans of the Nest Health system because one of the ways again, the technology is exploding. I cannot wait for their little new device to come out, that one, the wearable. That sounds amazing. I keep calling them like when is it coming?
Speaker 2:out. I'm getting all that out to market.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is one way. How do we measure right? So let's say, okay, yes, maybe there are all these emotional traumas or maybe, and sometimes even maybe you had a parasite 10 years ago and maybe that physical parasite's not in there, but there can still be that energetic component in the train that's creating that. That. What was the word you use, not this coherent but yeah, there's fragmented or whatever, the problem right and Talk to us a little bit about what the Ness Health is.
Speaker 1:There are other things, like Dr Tennant's Biomodulator, I think is very similar to the my Health and Ness Health. Those similar technologies came from the same thing. But how do you use that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we all get asked like how do we put this all together? And at this current time in my life, I say, when I treat people and this is not linear but it's like regulation, drainage, resonance, coherence and regeneration, and resonance and coherence are these kinds of principles of. I use bioresonance tools and I use this concept of resonance when there is a frequency match between two, basically signatures of frequencies that can there can be an exchange of information, right? So when we're thinking about all of this information all these chronic Leo people have, and how do we distill it in a 75 minute appointment to this so that we can actually move them forward and create momentum in their life.
Speaker 2:And I rely and I think there are going to be many more tools out there in this 20 yearyear period but I rely not only on my clinical pattern recognition, my clinical history, taking my intuition, but I rely on bioresonance tools that basically have this not the body or stressors in the body that there is a frequency signature. So there is basically the scanning of the body by connecting the body with either the device in person or through quantum intake or through the voice that we can basically detect. Is there a frequency match that this is? Are you in resonance with yourself? Are you in resonance with something that is distorting your health? And then, looking at the pattern, right, it's not diagnostic, but it gives us a whole screening of where there could be emotions or meridians that are blocked or areas in the body.
Speaker 2:The atlas that is out of balance and we need to bring a scaling through an adjustment and I also use the AO scan so it can help us a little bit identify like different microbes that could be more prioritized. And so we take all that information and then I talk with the body and communicate with the body through muscle testing. So we're actually just opening ourselves up to both of our intuitions, the greater field of energy that we're all surrounded in, but the intention to help that person. And then we're communicating with the body to see what brings healing and ease, what creates a parasympathetic response versus a stress response. And then we bring all this information to a treatment plan, which then that is going to be the next step on a journey of unwinding and a nonlinear process of healing. And I really don't know how I would practice without these tools.
Speaker 2:I look at lab work all the time, and lab work is helpful. You can get really good at looking at the signatures of lab work and seeing where people could be having issues, but it is actually doesn't give us the full story, and that's why there's so many people who go to the medical system. They don't look as sick as they feel they go get lab work and they's why there's so many people who go to the medical system. They don't look as sick as they feel. They go get lab work and they're told there's nothing wrong with them. And that's where we come into the picture.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and that's what I love, because so, with these kind of screening tools, we're able to see hey, like you said, there's some resonant issues there and things like homeopathics. Now there's so much between light and sound. There's a million apps out there. One of my favorites is Meditative Mind and it has so many different categories. Okay, I feel like removing toxins right now, or I want to feel abundant, or whatever. It is all these different frequencies and I love.
Speaker 1:There's a video somewhere online that shows all these metronomes maybe like 20 metronomes, right and they start them all at different times and with the matter of I don't know what, it is 30 minutes or whatever they all start going at the exact same pace. And that's the kind of idea of energy and that's how homeopathics and all these modalities work is, we put in the frequency and then all that frequency goes through the terrain, hopefully, and then we all start resonating the same. Again, these seem weird concepts. This has been around for a millennia. We're just now trying to untrain. We're now able to measure these things, which is cool, and it's just going to the pace at which we're starting to understand all this energy is so enormous that the potentials for really healing are. I can't even. I can't count them, can't even put it into words because it's exciting. So in the last few minutes, I want you to tell us a little bit about light and sound and how you use those to help people heal.
Speaker 2:I really think this is the future of medicine. We are wired to communicate internally with light and sound. We have endogenous chromophores and we have endogenous ways that we communicate with sound that we receive and that sound and light that we generate in the body. And we know that our cells, our mitochondria, our microtubulin and our fascia communicate.
Speaker 1:They're the kind of the highway.
Speaker 2:We communicate these different kind of vibrations that our DNA also emits biophotons. So our DNA, or mitochondria, emit biophotons that get sent through the microtubulin and the fascia, or we probably mean matrix in some circles, and that our.
Speaker 2:DNA and our every kind of, every part of our body, actually a vibratory sound. So this is called sound psychology. So when we look at sound from the sound, the sound either can be singing, a coherent, harmon, beautiful sound that breaks the pattern, that's going to be to hear it, so be regulated in power, or that's going to be told here and have the cell be regulated in health, or it's going to be distorted. Right, it's going to be different from screeching and it's going to be diseased or we'll hear cramping.
Speaker 2:Sounds like he essentially was the guy who discovered this, and cancer cells have the screeching sound and healthy cells have the heart sound. So that alone is fascinating, right. And then we've also studied the fascial sounds. I've read papers about that. And then, essentially, our mitochondria receives light. So we generate and we receive. There's this kind of highway of communication in the body and this is the work of, also, fritz Halbert Popp. So, okay, we talked about sound.
Speaker 2:You're either coherent or decoherent or dissonant. Not coherent, not part of the whole, or not synchronized, not aligned, not integrated, right. Or there is this idea of Fritz Halbert Popp who talks about coherent biophoton emissions. Basically, a laser is a coherent light emission emissions. Basically, a laser is a coherent light emission. We have that in our cells. So when we have in the cell, like this Goldilocks amount of light, this coherent amount of light emission, that's a summation of the DNA that's getting carried from the microtubulin to the mitochondria, creating energy, that's producing bio photons, that's getting transported and emitted outside of the cell, that's integrated within the cell, that it could either be an illumination of coherent light that's serving as a signaling and communication, or it is dissonant and decoherent and that's going to be disease-promoting. Or it could be too much light and that could be also a sign of disease. That's what he found. So we still have a lot to discover, clearly, but these are really amazing pioneers that have gotten us on this path about how we can contemplate. We also have this beautiful water matrix within our body that also is a medium for these quantum particles that traverse within the body.
Speaker 2:And then this idea of coherence I said within the body and then this idea of coherence I said so. I feel like part of our job is to help the body achieve this coherence right and this person to be in coherence with their higher self. And I think there's a lot of things that distort us from our natural coherence, and that's what we talked about a lot in this podcast. And when people are really sick, they have a hard time generating their own coherence through meditation, and so we add coherent information to their body through group prayer or group intention, through light, through sound and reminding them to remember themselves. So, whether you're getting coherent sounds on YouTube, or you're doing a sound bath in person, or doing the AO inner voice, or you're doing mantras or tones, sound is everywhere. What's available? Find sound that makes you feel good, and that's usually a sign you're in coherence.
Speaker 2:The sun is always giving us coherence with light. There is the full spectrum of light emitted from the sun that our body uses in all sorts of ways, so we all have access to that. And then we use lasers in our office to help remind the body of coherent light and to get coherent light traversing through the networks in the body so it can help to communicate on a cellular level for more health in the body. We use the sound of soul, on which Kelly gave us an introduction to Erasmus, and we can remind people of their own inner music from their heart, and that is profoundly regulatory for us. So again, the list is endless and the possibilities are endless in this field, and we're just getting started. I feel like I know a drop of information in this realm and I'm very excited. I think in this 20 years of paradigm shift, we're going to really get this elegant path to healing that we all seek for.
Speaker 1:I think it's so exciting with my introduction of laser and now red light that's everybody's heard of red light therapy and near infrared right, that whole industry has exploded. But, as you said, there's green light, there's yellow light, there's blue light, there's other lights that kind of do other things and we don't have the time to get to it now. But these are the technologies that are really developing and cool, you can even put light intravenously. Wow, that sounds crazy, but again, every cell kind of communicates with light. This is one of the reasons why having sunlight every day is so important, because in that full spectrum you are getting all those different colors and they all affect us differently. And so important. Why do we get seasonal depression? Right, when we have less sunlight it does. It affects all of us profoundly. And what's so great is light is non-invasive but it doesn't hurt. So when we can harness the power of these, same with sound, right, anybody can listen to sound.
Speaker 1:I'm a big fan of Qigong and a lot of those therapies we're using the sounds. Every organ has a specific sound. So when you're using, I noticed sometimes that at work I just had an interview about we're talking about breath work I'm over-breathing at work, I'm stressed out and I sighing a lot and I'm always given that heart sound. I'm like that's the heart it needs, like a release of all this other people's energy I've been absorbing all day. Right, or that. The sound is the liver, right, and how do we calm children? Right, with that shh sound, because liver is where we get a lot of irritability right and anxiety, all that kind of stuff. So it's just fascinating.
Speaker 1:Again, these things have been around for plenty, practically right, all these kinds of things and it's accessible. I know we could, again go on and on and I appreciate all your time this morning. So maybe share, like how we can get in touch with you, tell us about your podcast, how we can, because it's my go-to and I want to learn all sorts of good things. I talked, I texted Christine the other day. I said I loved that last episode. I'm going to go get that. That breast imaging that you talked about, that's so cool, thank you so much, rachel.
Speaker 2:I just I love learning like you do, and I just am a gracious kind of learner and I love to allow people to share their knowledge on my platform and I learn and I bring it into my practice right away. So we're trying to increase that deep back loop of getting the knowledge and integrating it right away. You can find me at the Spectrum of Health or Dr Christine Schaffner. My clinic is called Immunence Health, which means the divine within, and so we are based in Seattle, but we do telemedicine, uh worldwide, and um hebron clinton and I in uh 2025 are going to have a master class um on this topic uh, quantum physics and this new medicine. So I hope that you all enjoy that. And yeah, rachel, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1:I love your work, I love your motion and I just so enjoyed being with you, so thank you Well, I couldn't do it with great collaborators without you, and you also have some great skin products and lymph stuff, so I'm sure there's linked all that good stuff the apothecary right with the eye. So please check out all of Dr Christine's work. I don't know how she fits it all in in a day, but people say the same to me too, but when you're passionate about something, there's always, there's always time for that. Again, thank you so much for taking time out of your very busy schedule and I just adore you and I am so excited to call you my friend and colleague and I hope you have a fabulous day, everybody. I hope you really enjoyed this episode and please check out her podcast, her website, all the great stuff that Dr Christine is doing. She's on that cutting edge of all this wonderful therapy that really gets to the root and really helps with feelings. Have a wonderful day, everybody, and we'll see you on the next one.