The Root of The Matter

Unveiling Dental Health's Hidden Impact: Holistic Dentistry and the Fight Against Toxins with Dr. Mark DiNola

• Dr. Rachaele Carver, D.M.D. Board-Certified, Biologic, Naturopathic Dentist

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Discover the unexpected ties between your dental health and overall wellness in an eye-opening conversation with Dr. Mark DiNola. This episode of The Root of the Matter promises to enlighten listeners on the transformative power of holistic and biologic dentistry. Dr. Mark shares his unique journey into this field, revealing how dental health can impact everything from chronic diseases to rising cancer rates among young people. Our dialogue tackles the shortcomings of conventional systems and highlights the pervasive issue of toxins lurking in our food, environment, and personal care products.

Prepare to rethink what you know about dental treatments as we challenge traditional practices and spotlight safer alternatives. Dr. DiNola delves into the SMART protocol for mercury removal, the pitfalls of processed foods, and the harms of fake sugars and energy drinks. With a focus on nutrient-dense options, we advocate for healthier choices that contribute to long-term well-being. Our exchange also covers the benefits of treatments like ozone therapy, emphasizing their role in promoting healing and eliminating pathogens. By examining the impact of toxins, advanced technologies, and the critical role of mitochondria, we aim to empower you with knowledge for informed health decisions.

Join us in unraveling the complex interplay between oral health and systemic conditions, particularly focal infections and root canals. This episode details the importance of patient empowerment and collaboration with healthcare providers. Through Dr. Mark's involvement with the International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology, listeners gain insight into finding practitioners committed to safe and holistic practices. We invite you to explore more of Dr. Mark's insights and look forward to future episodes featuring notable guests, all designed to support your journey toward a more informed and healthier life.

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Speaker 1:

Hello everybody, welcome back to another episode of the Root of the Matter. I am your host, dr Rachel Carver. Today I'm excited to have a colleague here, dr Mark DiNola. He's in the kind of DC area and Mark is, like me, a biologic dentist really interested in holistic care, really also passionate about sharing this with the rest of the world.

Speaker 1:

And I think those of us who believe and subscribe to this more holistic whole body approach, we feel very strongly about getting the word out, and it's very challenging sometimes to try to go at the higher levels of government and stuff like that. That's why we, that's why I like to do this podcast right, because we're creating awareness at the grassroots level. The more people become aware, the more people talk to one another, the more that information gets out there. That's how this really spreads and this is how people start asking for the more biologic, holistic type of care, because we know our conventional system is failing us in all aspects of health. We spend the most, we are the richest country in the world, yet we have one of the worst healthcare outcomes of any developed industrialized country, which is very sad. With the change in government now we've got Robert F Kennedy hopefully heading up the HHS, so that could be very exciting for some serious change.

Speaker 1:

One of his big pushes is to get toxins out of our food, and that's exciting, because I don't know about you, mark, but I think it's the toxins that are really creating all of this mass chronic hepatitis. I was just reading something the other day about young people and cancer, and the rates are skyrocketing. And it's just between all of the toxins in the environment. It's in the air, it's in the water, it's in the food, it's in the personal care products, you name it. We're using plastics everywhere, for everything and then all of our devices. We're getting so disconnected from mother nature too, that it's really not a surprise. Mark, welcome. Tell us a little bit about your background, how long you've been doing the holistic stuff and, yeah, tell us about your practice.

Speaker 2:

Thanks for inviting me. I guess I would say just to start off saying that I wanted to be a dentist since I was eight years old and it's such a passion it's deeper than maybe some people even because I had this epiphany when I was younger to do this. So anyway, as far as what's happening, I think everyone's recognizing that the food we eat is interfering with their systems, all the systems that we have. I think you're spot on. There's an awareness, a wave, something quite unique happening with the information, with the internet. You can see a shift in the questions we're getting and things that happen. In fact, I was teaching an ozone this was even a year, a couple of years ago and I mentioned a statin that you should probably take CoQ10 with statins just off. And that was the question I got. What did you say about the?

Speaker 2:

Because people don't really know the medical side, the drug interferences. I talk a lot about deficiencies created by the fact that pharmaceuticals have to go through those detox systems and we're often deficient in magnesium and zinc and B vitamins just because of meds. But there's a lot of low hanging fruit for us to deal with which we talk about. As far as the general question about overall body health. We look and see what the tone is on a certain patient, what they've manifest in their bodies and their terrain. I start talking about terrain and people understand that a little bit better now too. Younger people don't want to take medications. They want to know why their bellies are problematic. And we know even one amalgam can cause you to be dysbiosis in your gut. And now we're learning about the microbiome in the mouth and I had a patient tell me I'm not using Listerine anymore because we know that the bugs in the mouth make nitric oxide which we need for vasodilation and heart cardiac stuff. So it's all connected and I think people are more and more understanding it and the way to do it without being so negative like that character on Saturday Night Live, debbie Downer. I don't know if you remember that years ago, but that's what I feel like I say I'm Dr Downer about this information, but I don't mean to say that it's all negative.

Speaker 2:

I think there's a lot of blessings and things that are coming up that are the truth and that's what we just we're sort of talking about in this place, where we're supposed to just deal with teeth and gums and you were maybe at that I don't know if you were at the seminar about sleep medicine that we went to, but, uh, there was a lot. Yeah, you spoke that's. Yeah, the sleep medicine really brought into scope the things that we can handle on our that's in our wheelhouse, which is airway toxicity, which is mercury and metals, and and then also the bugs make toxins. But then, um, we learned about dementia being influenced by all three airway, periodontal disease or or root canal, or toxic bacteria and the heavy metals. So it's like all the things that we do daily, and so it's very easy for us to just talk about this is what you have, this is what we, we can do, and it's not I'm not a big sales guy, it's more about what people would like to do.

Speaker 2:

I have existing patients that still have amalgams and I say I'm going to say this every time. I learn new things every day. Anyway, I just try to give them a snapshot of what I see in their whole body and we know that we talk about things that are a little bit exotic, or Eastern medicine that some people understand because they're going to chiropractors or acupuncture practitioners. So we say things are on the same energy pathway or pathway, and we relate it to that and they feel better when the mercury is removed. Dental amalgams maybe everybody on this show doesn't know they're a bunch of metals 30% silver, 50% mercury and so there's a lot of things that are talking about now that the connection of the metals in the mouth caused something called galvanism, so that's another. Some people have had issues that were definitely galvanic in nature. Yeah, I just I think the way I talk about the overall body, I never say I can make them healthy or change their status in terms of medications, and I don't really go to that. Usually, practitioners are working with them already to work on nutrition, but I can see nutritional deficiencies based on some meds, based on, like, the different problems they've had over the years. It just depends on who comes in at what time and what they're looking for. But people are seeking us like crazy just because no one's doing what we do.

Speaker 2:

I happen to do, like surgical, a lot of surgery as well, and I'm also placing ceramic implants, the SDS implants. So I want to get the patient from whatever condition is in their mouth to a place where we can start to add these replacements that are going to last for a long time, that are more biocompatible? Yeah, I don't know what the original question was, except that I have a passion that when I first learned about amalgam I was really upset and I thought maybe this was the wrong work for me. But God wouldn't let me be doing this or thinking about it when I was eight, yeah, so I just started to look at how I can use my passion and my.

Speaker 2:

I study all the time, don't you? We just read all the time. I'm reading a paper about. I'm reading about histology because I'm going to teach a course too at the academy. I'm like reading about how it sounds silly to be thinking about it, but how, like a granuloma forms, it actually is epithelium. And so I get.

Speaker 2:

If you can get down to the cellular level to try to learn about how disease processes go, you can see how they take decades for some things to happen and they're not always acute. So the problem that we're also dealing with is there's usually no pain or very little pain associated with some of these bigger problems that you see, and it's not fair in some ways. But if people knew all the symptomatology, maybe that's connected, maybe they would understand. But it's good. It's good that there's not a lot of pain in the mouth. All the time I look for signs and symptoms of other issues. People have these little struggles and all the kinds of diseases and names of everything.

Speaker 2:

I say what is my role in this? And I try to be a coach, a little bit like you are a health coach, and make recommendations. We do carry. I carry ghee for oil pulling we're out right now but I have a lot of different products that I think specifically. I shouldn't really name the names, I don't think, but there are homeopathics that we're using for rinses now and I use platelets for all my surgeries. I would never do any extractions without ozone and platelets and all the fancy stuff that we do. It's routine, so it doesn't seem that fancy, but it's all been learned since school All the stacks of papers we have and research we do.

Speaker 2:

And I think that's one thing that you could. If a person wanted to ask a dentist these questions, it's they'll have more information by listening to one podcast sometimes than traditional dentists. And I'm in the ADA still, which makes me they just posted that fluoride's safe and effective, so that's why I'm staying in. I want to be a vocal leader, a vocal advocate. For that I'm still in the ADA just to be there, but I think the dues are not that much to be part of, so I could be a fly on the wall in some places, but anyway, it's my passion. I've had other podcasts that people wanted to listen to. My one I did on the Weston Price on nourishing traditions was very good I thought received, because she brought me down different paths that maybe I might not have talked about. But I could just keep talking.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, definitely, the fluoride kind of was a joke for all of you. We actually, I think the conference where we last saw each other in person, we had the actual head lawyer for the very few people actually know about the lawsuit that finished in February but was actually ruled on in September and it is the largest lawsuit against fluoride, the biggest kind of public health lawsuit I think in the history of public health. Maybe I'm overseeing a little bit, but I don't think that much. There's been a lot of controversy. Many of you who listen to this podcast know my thoughts about fluoride and there's again been controversy and my opinion doesn't come because I'm a conspiracy theorist. It becomes because of all the research and the education I've got surrounding that. And so this lawsuit came out saying that it was not reasonable fluoride specifically in water. It is not reasonable. It poses an unreasonable risk for children and infants, for neurotoxicity.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, if there was an effective dose, it's way higher if there is at all efficacy and the problem with the EPA and the.

Speaker 1:

FDA and the World Health and all these organizations. Not one of these major organizations could present any evidence about the safety of fluoride. They were all spouting. There's 30,000 articles saying that it promotes, prevents decay and I think there may be a little evidence that it topically does, but it does this by killing bacteria right. And when it gets incorporated into the enamel it's like the same thing when people go on Fosamax for osteoporosis. You get these pockets of bone or enamel surrounded by other enamel, but it's not healthy and any dentist can tell you when they're trying. If you try to bond to a tooth with fluorosis, it's almost impossible, it's very difficult and it's unsightly. And again, the neurotoxicity and problematic. And the problem, especially in the water, is that we don't realize what the dose is. So a baby in a baby bottle is getting a far higher dose than an adult and that's really the problem.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess I've been speaking. I speak about it in the one way, which is was cited, that there may be like 400, 000 or probably more people that use infant formula which has to be mixed with water. So that's where you get in the doses. That's super high. It's not going to work very well. Anyway, yeah, I saw fluorosis today and, just for your audience, it doesn't have to be brown stain, it's very often it's just white, really bright white patches on teeth, which is presents in a. It's more of a modeling, look like marble kind of idea. But it's sad when there's a physical thing with if it didn't really necessarily help at all. There are stories where the kids get hold of the little pills which they used to pediatricians used to give and and they overdose on that stuff. And the cochran before just came out and that really probably is the nail in the coffin there, because it's really a a group. I guess it's very legit in terms of their body of scientists. Yeah, and that's the other thing. We keep ignoring the stuff that comes out and if it's not convenient research, then they put lines through it or something or they put on the side and yeah, you can even see how that went down over the pandemic in terms of a lot of things. So, anyway, I enjoy talking about this and my heart breaks for, like, I want to be an innocent. For so long and I'm part of this group of people that just are put their blinders on and they don't really want to hear.

Speaker 2:

I've been giving people of Tom McGuire's book. I gave cases of those books out in my town and I said, no, you don't have to bring it back. Give it to someone who has. When they laugh, you see their mercury in their mouth. That's the biggest thing, I think, to make someone healthier. You can't argue getting that out. It has to be taken out safely, which is some of your community may know that or be aware of that already that there's a protocol that's been researched pretty well by outside people in the academy about how to do it carefully. So the particles are emitting. The little chunks that come off that you can't even see that are six microns Mercury's coming off that, and we also know that the way traditional dentists are doing it might be re-inoculating patients with more, more levels that are terrible. So we're isolating with hepa filters and all kinds of that's on your probably on your website my website but when you're looking for a holistic dentist, you want to find out if they're certified in smart protocol, and so we do all that and in fact, we add things. If we find something to be helping. We always add. Chlorella might be one, but we use the charcoal. That's another where, hopefully, maybe with this new administration, we can get a chelator that would work very well. That we know about. That's really not on the market yet, but anyway, he mentioned key rotation in his tweet. So I think that there's an understanding that our body burden is such that you have to do certain things, and in fact, I know he has got through key ration. He got all his amalgams out years ago speaking about Kennedy.

Speaker 2:

But it's just being honest about the research, honest about what something tells you if it's not convenient to what you're selling. It's hard when you do a study to show that this something's not safe and it's not, and and it's true it's not safe and or vice versa, those that information is not great for some people on the one side of it, but when we're thinking about human health, um, we're like you started the show, it's. It's a moment where you're like what can I do so. You have to look at I use that phrase low hanging fruit. You have to change your shampoo and your soap and try to clean up the house and not get super crazy. But when you're changing your diet, try to think about what's the quality food, what's the what nutrient-dense food is? What we say Nutrient-dense is the opposite of the highly processed foods that most Americans are eating now. So 70% of the calories that humans are eating in our country are highly processed or highly processed, which means it strips out all your B vitamins and your things that would oxidize and would be going bad on the shelf. I mean, all these things made sense, but as soon as we learned that it didn't make sense, we should change it and tell the public about it. Because I'd been in the ADA, like I said, and I remember 20 years ago I said we should really put advocate for on soda cans like a tobacco and it's causes cavities and they're like we can't do that because they give money for our stadiums and this and billboards, you know. So anyway, it's just, it's a strange thing when you start to look where the money flows and so people say we're taking advantage of people taking out their mercury.

Speaker 2:

I could argue that all day long that it's it's reasonable cost for something that could be helping you lifelong definitely helping you lifelong. But some other comorbidity, that associated with it being in your body, the white cells you can talk about it more, probably better than I have I can, but the white cell count goes down, the microbiomes completely changed and more plaque and all those types of things happening too. So, yeah, I feel great going to work. My team is they eat it up. I think now we have Healthy Start for airway with kids and seeing kids and we're just trying hard. We're fighting the teens with the energy drinks and there's another one every day like practically oh, you hear about this nation, I'm like looking it up. My son sends me like something he might want to drink and I look it up.

Speaker 2:

But the fake sugars are something that we look for too and we have to be careful about acidity of these products, even if they don't have sugar. We're a weird bunch that thinks a little bit too much like when you go to italy you could just think about the pasta and you probably doesn't have gluten and you can enjoy that, and in our country you can't pick up food. That's not every fast food industry, every fast food company has been shown to have heavy metals in their food. Is that true? And I read the papers I'm like, yeah, this seems to be a problem. I don't even go out to fast food anymore at all. I make most of my food, but anyway, it's a little depressing sometimes when you think about it. But then there's this light and this golden age possibly, and maybe we can be honest about everything.

Speaker 2:

Your cholesterol is high. Maybe we should do this and not take a statin, and sometimes the physicians are very often their standard of care that they'll get in trouble for not doing the standard of care which, if you really look at all these things like cholesterol or hypertension, they all get changed when, honestly, I don't want to get so political, but it seems to me there's a moving goal post on some of these items that we look at that we can test for. I just don't want to be part of that. I try to enlighten people about it. Since I do bone surgery, I'm doing surgery on jaw bones. We're concerned. Maybe you can talk about the bisphosphonates. We can talk about that. I'm also dealing with someone with osteoradionecrosis in her jaw and they do these sophisticated surgeries and they radiate the jaw and it kills teeth, bone and the person's alive. But they're really suffering in their mouth with that and phil malika and all the ozone group, that of people that are teaching that ozone um is so beneficial.

Speaker 2:

it's like hyperbaric oxygen locally, I would say. Would you say that, yeah, it does kill these pathogens where your immune system can't get to, and places it does crawl, like I've heard schallenberger says it can go 2.2 or 3 centimeters into places. So it definitely does a scattering kind of thing. It doesn't have any breakdown products that are negative. It's water, oxygen, hydroperoxide, so it's very safe and I like those to be introduced into accoutrement that the medical establishment wants to. We had a nice lecture at the Academy on hyperbaric oxygen.

Speaker 1:

And most countries are using it, except for ours. Right, but it is one of the best things that I ever learned. So I had a patient just yesterday say to me you know, that injection that you gave me of that oxygen stuff, she was like holy cow. That injection that you gave me of that oxygen stuff, she was like holy cow. That was amazing. I can't believe how good I feel. And she was like it was like not right away, but 48 hours. And I said exactly right, because unlike a drug I said unlike a steroid that would stop inflammation or stop a napher reaction, we are stimulating your body to heal itself. I said and this is why it's so effective, without any of the side effects that we see with normal drugs. We are enhancing your body's ability to heal and that is the goal of most of us holistic, biologic people. We are looking at the body and saying how can we take or what are the burdens on a person's immune system that we can remove so that the body can heal itself? Because that's how you really get resolution.

Speaker 1:

Unfortunately, in Western medicine traditional medicine and dentistry we're all trying to just kill the bad and just manage symptoms. Right, and those of us who are like is there a better way? We don't want to manage symptoms. Obviously we're going to remove decay and do the fillings and all the things that a typical dentist will do. But then we're also thinking why did you develop that cavity and why are you having these infections? Right, because if we really understand the why, if we talk about that terrain, which it's all connected, then we can really help our patients. I had another patient yesterday who came in for a routine restoration, a removal of amalgam, and her blood pressure was very high. So I don't even think all dentists are even checking people's blood pressure, which is patients often see the dentist way more than the physician, and so that is something super simple and easy that your assistants can do to monitor that. And her blood pressure was 200 over 110. And I used the wrist one, then the, and then I got out the old fashioned step.

Speaker 1:

this because I said wow, that's really. Let me just double check. I don't always love just the wrist ones. And she said oh yes, I was in the emergency room last week because my blood pressure was high so they gave me a fourth blood pressure medication. I was like, oh my Lord, what is the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and expecting a different result? So I said to her I said listen, I'm like, even though this is a routine amalgam removal, if any, despite all of the mitigation techniques we use, if any of this amalgam gets into your system, I'm very concerned for your blood pressure. So I was like, and even she said my doctor okayed this feeling. I said I believe blood pressure is due to inflammation. There is an inflammation, whether it's from an infection or some toxin that is causing that. So I don't want to add burden to the body Again, even with all my mitigation techniques. If any bit of that gets anywhere, that could set you into a stroke or something like this.

Speaker 1:

I said so. I sent her a lot of information. I said I want you to read about this. I'm like I would love them to test you for some infections or toxins, because there are simple urine tests that we can do that look for toxicities and heavy metals and all of these things, because just giving person more and more meds is not solving. I said your body is increasing your blood pressure to try to get oxygen somewhere. There's somewhere in your body that needs more oxygen and so it's raising your blood pressure. We're going to use all this medication to try to stop what your body is naturally doing. I'm like it just is not a healthy way to go about solving these problems.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, and that's not unusual for meds. I mean, usually it's one or two. But yeah, the mercury opens up gap junctions and endothelial lining, my thing. I kind of joke with my kids who dabble in the holistic with podcasts and stuff I talk about. It's always the mitochondria and we know that powerhouse of the cell, the mitochondria in all these different systems it sells. And then in those systems we know mercury attaches to the electron transport chain and so it is always.

Speaker 2:

It's such a little actually Huggins called it the devil because it does go into different places where it shouldn't be. It stores our bodies are amazing and terrain tries to protect itself, so it will deposit in places maybe that are less someone like me who's thin, it's the fiber on nerves or fat. So it's going to go there and so you have to be careful. Also, we do this for us in our families. We do holistic. We can be a good dentist and safe for ourselves, something people don't. It's a little selfish to talk about yourself, but my team is protected and we're protected. But yeah, it is so we. So that's a good example.

Speaker 2:

There's so many people with high blood pressure. So you see, someone with high blood pressure you don't say you can make them better. You just say let's get this one nuisance out of here. I had a guy who had a concussion and epilepsy and he had one amalgam but he was electric sensitive. I'm like let's just get that one tooth taken care of. He only had one amalgam and just see what happens, but he can't be near electrical towers and stuff because he had a grand mal. I'm not saying I can get you better from your seizures, but let's get this off and let's eat better.

Speaker 1:

I feel very passionate about is just sharing to my own health. So just sharing all the education that I've had, that I've learned and ultimately allow patients to decide what's best for them. And we're here to do it safely and provide alternatives. Like you said, I would never do an extraction anymore without ozone and PRF. It is just astounding the healing.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I know you talked to John about that, the protocol. It almost seems like it's scary when you think about what could happen when you just take a tooth out without doing these things. And I'm learning about, like I told you about the histology. I'm friends with Dr Pakou Jerry has been doing all those research projects with ischemic bone, with Dr Hans Lechner from Germany and other people. The histology really tells the history of how something got. So the histopathology, how something became what it is.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I actually visited Germany because I want to get a Cavitao, maybe hopefully the new instrumentation, but we were just chit-chatting and I had all my little drawings I was showing him. Visited germany because I want to get a cavitao, maybe hopefully the new instrumentation, but we were just chit-chatting and I had all my little drawings I was showing him. But I was talking about how there's a, there's I do a timeline with it, like a arch, like a rainbow instead of a cross, because what you can do is stack the rainbows and you could put different factors. This is my creation. I'm a kind of an artist, but I try to write and then draw. But the idea is that you have all these added things that you can add up to to get the woman who's 45 or who has cavitations and that she has no amalgam, she has nothing, but she has fibromyalgia or something like that. So these are the things we see.

Speaker 2:

So it's just you and I are. We're really blessed because we can help people in ways maybe other dentists don't, but we're just guides. We're like one of my friends says I saved his life One of my patients who's a friend, it just we love. We love that kind of stuff and it was with ozone and his lip would never heal and I don't know. I just feel like we can be there and we are healers. And if you believe in other things, maybe we've always been healers, I don't know. But there's so many things we think about and so many rabbit holes we go down. We had a lecture of someone talking about emotions with cavities in the mouth. I'm like, show me the evidence. I wanted to learn about it, but it's interesting. With cavities in the mouth, I'm like, show me the evidence. I wanted to learn about it, but it's interesting. It makes you open to everything. That's a possibility.

Speaker 1:

That's a possibility, never 100% of anything. So I'm curious with your study of the histology. Oftentimes you'll look at an x-ray right, especially a 3D x-ray, and we see an old root canal and maybe there's a little radiolucency or a darkening around the root tip and I say, is that healed, a healed lesion? Is that still problematic to the immune system? If you saw, let's say, number 19 root canal, do you see the radiolucency or on the mesial tip, what's your thought process when you're seeing that?

Speaker 2:

Okay. So if you want to go to the histology on it, what I've learned and it is funny to just talk about things like we're students and we're all giddy about it because it is really exciting, actually it's silly but it's exciting too but so it's like a little, it's a cyst, it's a little epithelial ball and within that ball becomes a situation that you already mentioned, which is it's not oxygenated. So it is this. It used to be called focal infections, which the endodontic community made verboten. You can't say focal infection anymore. It's not on their website. On their website they say that's been disproven and stuff. So everybody tries to hedge to their old ways. But for all intents and purposes, that little ball I look through and it's 3D and you look at what it has around it.

Speaker 2:

Typically the bone is already changing because that micro environment's like created an acidity, created, heat created. It's actually called atrophic. So it has fat, fibroblasts and epithelium and I'm sure there's some macrophages you can get in. It depends on if it's a perioendo I don't want to get into that with people listening to us but for a perioendo. So if there's periodontal disease with a root canal, the epithelium goes all the way from the gum, all the way down the side of the ligament. That's why we see those J shapes. So someone might not have any. You could do percussion, they might not have any pain.

Speaker 2:

But the other thing I've learned and maybe you've had this insight too is there's sclerotic bone, which is the opposite of osteo or necrotic bone. So sclerotic bone is an autoimmune, it's an immune problem. It's an osteoimmune problem. So there's a reinforcing and that's what I think about. It's like there's walls created because there's cortical bone being formed over time. You know that it's walling itself off and trying to protect itself. If you see an advanced lesion, you'll see doming up in the sinus and you'll see a piece of cortical bone that was never there or probably was never there until that situation.

Speaker 2:

Our bodies are great at doing something to isolate it. That's what I would say. And I just have to see how that progress, how it's progressing, and then you say to yourself what other systemic problems do they have and can you relate it back? So I just say we could consider this. And of course I have these charts all over the place and this one's probably familiar to you. But I'm very open and I think what happens to us is patients say, wow, I never talked to a dentist like this and they start opening up about other things.

Speaker 2:

And I always tell people on exams that some of the statistics on women like one in three women or one in five men have been assaulted in some way or had some traumas. So we're getting really close to their aura around their face and head and neck and all that. So we have to be really careful about those things. I tell people when I'm doing surgery I just want you to remember I know that I'm trying to take care of you, but I know that.

Speaker 2:

So you get a rapport with them in a different way and sometimes you have to also have grace, because some people are so sick that they're not nice. They're not nice and so you try to be okay with that and you say this is our protocol no F-bombs in my office, please, and that kind of thing. Try to regain some comp. Say we are here to help you through this and have some grace in their situation at the moment. But we also you have these people that are red flags and they just continue to not let. Maybe they don't do what they're supposed to do in their part.

Speaker 1:

Here's what I know right this tooth is dead, there's no more blood flow there and in situations like that, bacteria, fungus, all these things can happily live there. They can overgrow. 20% of your lymph is in the head and neck, so it's potentially that those toxins are draining to the rest of the body. But the most important thing, like you said, is what is that person's health condition right Now? If it's somebody who has a bunch of autoimmune conditions, totally inflamed, okay, we're thinking we really probably want to take that up, especially if it's on that meridian. You showed the tooth meridian chart. If they are having IBS, tooth number 19 is a lower molar, that's on the intestinal meridian. Versus the person who has zero health health issues, is perfectly healthy, doesn't have any overt signs of inflammation in the mouth. That's a different story and it's still here's what I know.

Speaker 1:

Taking out a tooth, it's forever Right and it's going to compromise your ability to chew. And I said but we really need to monitor it because if this starts growing, if you develop any symptoms and some biologics may say that's terrible, all root canals have to go Again. I really think we have to remember that we're treating people, not teeth, and I think sometimes we've lost a lot of trust in healthcare because we're dictating to people Instead of, like you said, I use the word partner. I tell my patients we're a partner, right, I'm here to educate you and share my expertise, but ultimately it's your body, so it has to be your decision. And it's nice that we have so much great technology in dentistry today, with intraoral photos and all these fancy scanners and these 3D x-rays, so we can really. Patients don't have to trust us as much, because we can show them the evidence which makes for good partnerships.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I don't know if this has happened to you locally, but the people are. Our colleagues are a little bit intimidated by the fact that our parking lots are full all the time and that kind of thing, people coming from all over the place. But the truth is we have a role. But the truth is we have a role, our doctors as well. But I I try not to alienate, try to not be like holier than thou in terms of what I say to patients too, and I let them come to their own conclusion. But yet when you educate them as an, I say patient, I'm your advocate. I say too, even though you're, you're paying me, but the, the idea is that I'm your advocate and that's really what I care about is your mouth. I'm recommending like water. We're learning about water picks Now. The new probiotics for the mouth is really interesting.

Speaker 2:

I got back to tongue scraping with patients and I'm like, oh, no brainers, you sometimes just have to go back on what we originally learned and and, uh, dispense with the stuff. That's not really true and that was more related to some other reason. I have no idea if it's money always, or if it's control. I have no idea. But I just want to be a good person to think and a good doctor and love my patients in this way. That is unique. I feel like I'm also evolving as well in my ability to sense the terror sometimes that people have or the poor association they have with dentists, because the dentists are trying to just do what they learn. Unfortunately, the information hasn't gotten into the educational system learned. Unfortunately, the information hasn't gotten into the educational system and I don't like to just I love my school. I I think they probably could do. I think everyone could do better than they're doing. And when, then? When we can. Unfortunately, I think things had to be related to like in with with corporate dentistry, it seems like money flows into chairs in the schools and different things like coca-c building, your track and field thing or whatever. So we have to get. What do we spend our money on? Maybe we should think about that as a nation and the lobbyists for the industry, casey and Callie Means, wrote Good Energy.

Speaker 2:

That book was fantastic and she was doing what we would do equivalent Like why am I getting all these cavities? And she was sucking out the affected sinuses during these major surgeries. But then is the patient getting any better? Maybe they'll be better for a little while. But if we just did that with teeth and we just took out the abscess and left the tooth or something like that might be an example. It's going to come back. I don't know. I feel like we're in a different role and I try to be humble with my knowledge because I know it's always changing how much I know and learn and something like Morley Robin stuff that we're learning new. That's new to me and I think it's fantastic.

Speaker 1:

A book called Cure where he talks a lot about copper as one of the missing minerals in modern diets, and my hygienist absolutely swears by the diet. She's in her early to mid-60s and she's never been healthier. We took her through the cell core. I talked about her in podcast. We took her through the cell core parasite. All of her autoimmune markers went away. The doctor was amazed but didn't want to learn more, Just said okay, keep doing what your dentist does.

Speaker 2:

So all the vegetarians that might be listening, don't take this the wrong way, but we don't think that's the right diet. Dental diet, like Dr Lin wrote a book on that. It starts off with changing that food and what your hygienist saw or on herself, possibly, but with her patients she'll see the microbiome changes because you're not giving them the substrates and you're not giving them the sugar. And if there's insulin resistance or something going on with the immune system with sugar, I don't know if. But after Weston Price, melvin Page was a doctor who talked about the balance, with the mineral balance being important, the calcium to phosphorus and setting up the flow. You didn't know. I was this smart, did you? Yeah, so all these things are like. The evidence was there and we ignored it. Why it was so good? Why do you throw it out? Because it was cheap or something, I don't know.

Speaker 2:

Anyway, the food is one of his stops stop eating seed oil, stop eating sugar, canned food, those types things that weston price talked about. Or weston price was very honest about what he saw. But the fact of the matter is, everywhere he traveled at that moment in time was in 30s and 40s. They were. There were a lot of modern communities that were not, or modern or traditional societies that were still isolated populations is what he called them. He called them primitive people, but that doesn't mean that. But anyway, they didn't have sugar was one of the main things. So our big dental thing about sugar is true, but now we're learning it's feeding the wrong bubs, it's causing insulin resistance. So anyway, that's the wonderful thing about what we're learning. We could add on to that when I learned something new about something else Like xylitol. People all say that's good, but you and I probably scratch our heads saying it is a chemical.

Speaker 1:

It's a sugar alcohol and, like most sugar alcohol, they disrupt the microbiome. So, yes, it kills bacteria, but again, that shouldn't. That's not the ultimate goal, right?

Speaker 2:

Again, we bring it up to yeah, you bring it like you said it earlier. Is that a cost benefit of a drug or cost benefit like kind of idea whether so I could say they had crude studies on xylitol enhancing some of that flow of carotid flow and some of the flow of the teeth and maybe make the plaque, maybe teeth slick. But is it worth it? Like what's the exchange on that? So we're honest about that kind of stuff and if I made a company I'd want to know everything was backed up.

Speaker 1:

Oh, now I know better and I'm doing better, and that's I think that's to me, that's what is important. Yes, maybe I'm not perfect at something, but I'm always learning. I'm always striving to do what's best for the patient's health, and I think that's a benefit for our patients who because most of the time I think they did a study right at Harvard it's 17 years for something to be published in a scientific journal, for it to become standard of care, as after 17 years it's not even relevant anymore, right, yeah, and so people like us. We're always looking, and this is why we seem we get poo-pooed sometimes by our traditional colleagues, because they're not I don't know. I often think what are they reading? They're reading the stuff the pharmaceutical companies are giving them or what I don't know yeah, I, I.

Speaker 2:

So I go in the. I'm like the guy who goes into the lair where all the other people are, so I go with my friends that I grew up in dental school with. So I went to an XP seminar, which is I mentioned the name, but it doesn't matter, this is traditional. This stuff that they teach now is something I wouldn't do if you paid me. And I had a nightmare, literally at the hotel, because we were learning about something called socket shield, which is when they split a root canal tube and they leave the facial portion or the buckle portion. The guy did this huge case with implants, leaving these shields up, and that's what they're learning, and I'm like. So I had this literally a nightmare, it's true. I woke up and I thought, okay, oh, I learned all this great dentistry, but I'm not doing that because that's against biological rules. But then my hand started letting me do it and so I couldn't change what I was doing like in the clinic, even though I knew cognitive. Anyway, it was creepy. I don't know what that was about.

Speaker 1:

So tell us a little bit about if somebody's maybe in your area or wants to learn more about you or your practice, how do we get in touch with you and learn more?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I, um, I have my website is md dental wellness centercom. Um, I have my podcast on there and the podcast section. I'm at nine, 53 national highway, lavalle, maryland. I could tell you that and you look up my name, mark Denola Holistic Dentist. It'll pop up. But we have a good, like I said, I have a one video, a couple videos on there as well, but the list. You can listen to the podcast, which is nice.

Speaker 2:

What else Besides my website? It's getting out the. I have a Twitter account now with my name because I want to follow. I was following the lawsuit and Flora and Kennedy stuff and I try to just put my two cents in there, even though I probably don't have big following there. But I think that's where we're maybe ultimately going to get a little bit more truth and maybe both sides of an argument. If something's kooky, you just say it's kooky, prove it's not kooky or whatever, and that kind of thing. So I try to refer people. If it's too far, we all try to look for each other.

Speaker 2:

I have my IOMT, i-a-o-m-t International Academy of Moral Medicine, toxicology. It's hard to answer the phone like that, but yeah, so that would be a place where anybody in the world can look for practitioners that have a little bit of this mindset. Then when you learn and you go to their website and you ask the questions, you should have more education to ask the right questions. So safe removal needs to be something that they talk about. But I'm like two hours from Pittsburgh, two hours from DC, two hours from Baltimore Geographically good location because people come down. I have a lot of Amish Mennonite people come from PA and so I try to teach them, just like everything else, and I don't judge them, but I say this is what we need to do. So every population, every person that comes in is treated the same. That's what we try to do.

Speaker 1:

I hope everyone enjoyed listening to Dr Mark here. Look him up and listen to his podcast. He may have some other great guests and other more information and I guess we'll see everybody on the next episode. Have a great rest of your day, everyone.